Bad: New Company Policy

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    Update: GOOD NEWS!!!

    I e-mailed the concern to the gentleman at our corporate office who is responsible for the safety and security program for the whole company and I received in writing today from him that "storing your weapon in your car while you are at work is ok." Since there are many states involved, perhaps it is impossible to write an all encompassing policy but at least they provide for an exception for authorization in writing...which we easily received today with no problem. My guess is a lot of folks didn't read the policy, but I did talk with an HR director at another facility today and he has the same concerns (he is a hunter and a CHP holder as well). I'm sure there will be more questions raised, but at least there is no hassle if or when it is. I guess I'm just a stickler for reading every policy in detail...good thing. Thanks for all of your time, suggestions, and comments. Luckily it has worked out with no problem. Thanks to all of you, and to DC for providing me the support and confidence to professionally address these concerns and have a positive result.
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    Glad it worked out.

    I would make several copies of his email and keep at least one copy at home.

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    Have you thought about a lockable case for the gun when left in the car. What they don't see doesn't hurt them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    Glad it worked out.

    I would make several copies of his email and keep at least one copy at home.
    +1. I'm going to make copies of the policy and the e-mail and keep one at home and one in my car with my weapon. I'm also going to give copies to my close friends at work who are also in the same boat so they'll be covered if something comes up for one of them if I'm not there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    +1. I'm going to make copies of the policy and the e-mail and keep one at home and one in my car with my weapon. I'm also going to give copies to my close friends at work who are also in the same boat so they'll be covered if something comes up for one of them if I'm not there.
    Good ideas.

    And then I wouldn't mention it to any other managers, especially new ones or ones you don't know well. Or even other workers you don't know well. Just let it lie. You don't want to remind someone about the policy at some point in the future, and have him or her raise a big stink and have the policy changed.

    Cover yourselves as you mentioned, and guard your words around people who aren't strongly pro gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Z Squad View Post
    Have you thought about a lockable case for the gun when left in the car. What they don't see doesn't hurt them.
    I don't need it now, but I've got a better idea. It is actually against federal law for them to search your personal USPS mail. If you put it in a USPS postmarked box addressed to you (you can mail the empty box to yourself with no return address), then they are prohibited from looking inside and can't force you to open it for them. Then lock that in your box and watch their face when you tell them if they touch your personal USPS mail it is a federal crime. A little research is very valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    Good ideas.

    And then I wouldn't mention it to any other managers, especially new ones or ones you don't know well. Or even other workers you don't know well. Just let it lie. You don't want to remind someone about the policy at some point in the future, and have him or her raise a big stink and have the policy changed.

    Cover yourselves as you mentioned, and guard your words around people who aren't strongly pro gun.
    10-4. You are wise my friend. The issue is resolved, so no need to draw unecessary attention to the matter.
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    Had exactly the same situation where I worked. A SUPER pain. I hated that when I ran errands on the way home, I ran into situations where I felt very unprotected.

    Then the State passed a law that any CC licensee could lock guns in their cars on their employers property and was not against the law.... well, no help, they could still fire you for violating the Company Policy.

    Now, I can do it.... as I retired, so I"m no longer an employee when I go there.

    Glad it worked out well for you.

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    Technically, I am not supposed to have a gun in my car at any time, at work or not, being I'm a field tech, and carry company supplied tools and parts in the car. Plus with never knowing each day if i'll be going to a school, hospital, govt office etc, I end up spending the workday without a gun. But with a very heavy 18 inch long #2 phillips. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    I don't need it now, but I've got a better idea. It is actually against federal law for them to search your personal USPS mail. If you put it in a USPS postmarked box addressed to you (you can mail the empty box to yourself with no return address), then they are prohibited from looking inside and can't force you to open it for them. Then lock that in your box and watch their face when you tell them if they touch your personal USPS mail it is a federal crime. A little research is very valuable.
    If you are in an At Will state, or even elsewhere depending on your employment agreement, they coukl still fire you for not letting them look in the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    I don't need it now, but I've got a better idea. It is actually against federal law for them to search your personal USPS mail. If you put it in a USPS postmarked box addressed to you (you can mail the empty box to yourself with no return address), then they are prohibited from looking inside and can't force you to open it for them. Then lock that in your box and watch their face when you tell them if they touch your personal USPS mail it is a federal crime. A little research is very valuable.
    wait..... what? Are you mailing a safe to yourself?

    Glad it worked out for you. It is really scary because your car is your private property even if it is on public or someone else's property... it is no different then the company saying they can fire you if you don't let them search your house too.
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    I was suggesting that inside of your lockbox you could have your firearm inside of a USPS postmarked package. That would prevent theft, but if required to let them search and open the lockbox, they would not be able to force you to let them inspect your mail.

    Yes, this is an at-will state. An employer can end employment for any or no reason. I'm glad that I received the written authorization. No issue now.

    Apparently, depending on your state, an employer may be able to search your property because it is located on their property. I'm not sure who decided their property rights trump yours. The 4th amendment only applies to government entities / public entities, not private entities or private property owners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    I e-mailed the concern to the gentleman at our corporate office who is responsible for the safety and security program for the whole company and I received in writing today from him that "storing your weapon in your car while you are at work is ok."

    >SNIPPERINO!<
    Awesome news! Congrat's on the win!

    Now, if we just convince DoD to allow a similar policy which would let CHL Holders at least bring their handguns on-base but keep them locked in the vee-hickle.
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