Carrying a large fixed blade knife

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    Carrying a large fixed blade knife

    Not sure if this is the right section, let me know if its not.

    Anyway, I want to carry a concealed knife on my person. I want something with that has a serrated section, has a 6 or 7inch blade, good for fighting and is a fixed blade. I was thinking a Ka-Bar because it meets all my standards.

    Is that even legal here in PA? (Age limit?)
    What's the best way to carry it?

    Thanks for any help.

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    Most states limit blade length to something like three inches. Last time I looked at this I think New Hampshire or Maine was the only place where there was no prohibition.
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    Thanks. Any input guys?

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    I would contact someone in the Pennsylvania Department of Public Safety.

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    PA knife law does not specify blade length, at least not that I am aware of. I always carry a FB on my person. As far as the best way to carry it...I have attempted to carry my Ka-Bar, and I wish you better luck then I had, I couldn't find a comfortable way. I would recommend something in the 3-4 inch range max for EDC.
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    Knife laws in a lot of states are vague and allow the authorities a very wide range of interpretation. I do not know PAs knife laws at all, but in Ohio it is illegal to conceal any fixed blade regardless of blade length or style while there is no restriction at all on the length of a folder. However there is also a caveat that that any knife intended for use as a "dangerous weapon" cannot be carried. Our CCW licensing does not cover knives in any way.

    I guess what I'm saying is just do some good research and be careful.

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    Pennsylvania - Pa. C.S.A. 18.908. Prohibited offensive
    weapons. (a) Offense defined.--A person commits a
    misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized
    by law, he makes, repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in,
    uses, or possesses any offensive weapon. (b) Exception.--
    It is a defense under this section for the defendant to
    prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed of
    dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic
    performance, or that he possessed it briefly in
    consequence of having found it or taken it from an
    aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any
    intent or likelihood that the would be used unlawfully.
    (c) Definition.--As used in this section "offensive
    weapon" means... any... dagger, knife, razor or cutting
    instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic
    way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or
    otherwise...
    - also see 24 P.S. 13-1317.2. re: students bringing weapons
    on to school property.]

    Pennsylvania case law:
    Where opening knife required lock to be released, and
    once lock was released blade could be exposed by flip of
    wrist, knife did not have blade which could be "exposed in
    an automatic way"... by "otherwise" legislature referred
    to knives that were opened by some sort of mechanism which
    is not a "switch," "push-button," or "spring" mechanism
    but still a mechanism... (1979)

    * * *

    Full text:

    Title 18 § 908. Prohibited offensive weapons.
    (a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except
    as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses
    any offensive weapon.

    (b) Exceptions.--

    It is a defense under this section for the defendant to prove by a preponderance
    of evidence that he possessed or dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a
    dramatic performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade or incendiary
    device, he complied with the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5801 et seq.), or
    that he possessed it briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from
    an aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any intent or likelihood
    that the weapon would be used unlawfully.
    This section does not apply to police forensic firearms experts or police forensic
    firearms laboratories. Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts
    or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary course of business and
    engaged in lawful operation who notify in writing, on an annual basis, the chief
    or head of any police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere, the
    sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the possession, type and use of
    offensive weapons.
    This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise
    deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws
    of this Commonwealth.

    (c) Definition.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall
    have the meanings given to them in this subsection:

    "Firearm."
    Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile
    by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
    "Offensive weapons."
    Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches,
    firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge,
    any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument,
    the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring
    mechanism, or otherwise, or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily
    injury which serves no common lawful purpose.

    (d) Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the following persons in
    the course of their duties are exempt from this section:

    Police officers, as defined by and who meet the requirements of the act of June
    18, 1974 (P.L.359, No.120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training
    Law.
    Police officers of first class cities who have successfully completed training which
    is substantially equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police Education
    and Training Law.
    Pennsylvania State Police officers.
    Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties who have satisfactorily met
    the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
    Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who have satisfactorily met the requirements
    of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
    Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined by the Pennsylvania Commission
    on Crime and Delinquency.
    Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the
    Municipal Police Education and Training Law.

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    Title 18 § 912. Possession of weapon on school property.
    (a) Definition.--Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section
    907 (relating to possessing instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes
    of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife, cutting instrument,
    cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument
    or implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

    (b) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses
    a weapon in the buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing
    transportation to or from any elementary or secondary publicly-funded educational
    institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by the Department
    of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.

    (c) Defense.--It shall be a defense that the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction
    with a lawful supervised school activity or course or is possessed for other lawful
    purpose.

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    Get those knives out of the school kitchens!
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    The problem with a knife as a primary defensive weapon as I see it - there is ALWAYS someone who can take it away from you and put it where the sun doesn't shine!

    A handgun on the other hand - no so much!
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    Well the area I live there isn't that much of a threat that I would consider trying to illegally carry a gun (I'm too young). That would just be irresponsible. Anyway, I appreciate the copied PA law knife info, but I didn't really understand it...

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    unless you live in Philly you can OC.....or get a license that PA honors or get a Maine license(iirc they issue at 18) and that will allow you to car carry and then OC as long as your not on philly
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    There's no limit on blade length under state law, however, municipalities are free to set their own limitations.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ron72 View Post
    Anyway, I appreciate the copied PA law knife info, but I didn't really understand it...
    It would be a really good idea to make sure that you do understand it before you consider carrying any type of weapon.

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