Naive Sheep

This is a discussion on Naive Sheep within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by charlie1826 Thats a good way to do it, I'm still young and its hard for me to stay calm when people are ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie1826 View Post
    Thats a good way to do it, I'm still young and its hard for me to stay calm when people are so blissfully ignorant. So for now I will try to reason with them calmly but when I hit my breaking point I just shut up, by then its usually a lost cause anyway. These are the types of people that could have a felon put a gun in their face one day, and try to ban all guns the next; instead of figuring out why a felon had a gun (obviously not legally!).
    Sorry still frustrated lol. Thanks for the advice though
    I'm 21, but my patience and wit come from being raised by two ex-LEO parents and my father who was in the Marine Corps. I'm THAT guy, I have a smart comment for everything and my patience has helped to curb that wit.

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    Sounds like they could be in for a big suprise some day. Security is a whole different ball game compared to the mindset of the CC world. Their job is to observe and report. Ours is to observe and defend ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie1826 View Post
    Off topic I noticed your avatar...are you missiles? I was based at malmstrom for a little while.
    I lived in Great Falls for my first 11 years. Not Air force but a Pilot, spent a lot of time at Grand Forks and Spokane too - so I end up hanging around a lot of them. My Father in Law is retired AF also.

    Sorry for the thread drift - but the OP did well not to bring up his carry status into the discussion. Sometimes you can't reason with stupid - now matter how "common sense" it seems, sometimes people just don't get it.

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    I find it ironic so many glibly call others stupid and ignorant, yet couldn't pass a third grade spelling bee.

    /ironic is ironic
    //slashies

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    I find it ironic so many glibly call others stupid and ignorant, yet couldn't pass a third grade spelling bee.

    /ironic is ironic
    //slashies
    Says the man who improperly uses the word 'ironic.'

    I just call people like that misinformed. Attack a person by calling them ignorant and they try to prove you wrong. Attack a person by calling them stupid and they attack you right back; but attack the source of their knowledge by calling them misinformed and you have now created an opening and openness to adequately portray your concerns and viewpoints for a constructive debate, NOT an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleipnir View Post
    Says the man who improperly uses the word 'ironic.'

    I just call people like that misinformed. Attack a person by calling them ignorant and they try to prove you wrong. Attack a person by calling them stupid and they attack you right back; but attack the source of their knowledge by calling them misinformed and you have now created an opening and openness to adequately portray your concerns and viewpoints for a constructive debate, NOT an argument.
    Well said, and in my defense I never called anyone stupid. I did spell naive wrong, I guess next time I post on an informal forum I better use my spell check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleipnir View Post
    Says the man who improperly uses the word 'ironic.'

    I just call people like that misinformed. Attack a person by calling them ignorant and they try to prove you wrong. Attack a person by calling them stupid and they attack you right back; but attack the source of their knowledge by calling them misinformed and you have now created an opening and openness to adequately portray your concerns and viewpoints for a constructive debate, NOT an argument.
    I guess I used ironic wrong also; live and learn.

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    Don't mind me, I'm just a grammar nut.

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    It has been said on some of these replies but it makes me feel better to stick my 2 cents worth in. YOU CANNOT TALK OR HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION WITH ANY KIND OF SHEEP--BE THEM OBAMA SHEEP, GUN SHEEP, LIBERAL SHEEP ETC. They will only wake up, unfortunately, when the SHTF--be it Obama and his liberals taking the US down the road to complete financial ruin and destruction of our American way of life, or be it unfortunate acts of violence against these same sheep. I am Jewish and I consider myself a student of history and when I watch those pix of Jews being rounded up in the 1930s and 40s in Germany with disbelief that this is happening to them even though they are german citizens and I see this fascist/socialist wannabe dictator throw away our Constitution, I am convinced that this can DEFINITELY happen here--AND I WILL NOT BE A SHEEP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    It has been said on some of these replies but it makes me feel better to stick my 2 cents worth in. YOU CANNOT TALK OR HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION WITH ANY KIND OF SHEEP--BE THEM OBAMA SHEEP, GUN SHEEP, LIBERAL SHEEP ETC. They will only wake up, unfortunately, when the SHTF--be it Obama and his liberals taking the US down the road to complete financial ruin and destruction of our American way of life, or be it unfortunate acts of violence against these same sheep. I am Jewish and I consider myself a student of history and when I watch those pix of Jews being rounded up in the 1930s and 40s in Germany with disbelief that this is happening to them even though they are german citizens and I see this fascist/socialist wannabe dictator throw away our Constitution, I am convinced that this can DEFINITELY happen here--AND I WILL NOT BE A SHEEP.
    Logos, Pathos, Ethos. Learn and command rhetoric and you can bend many, but not all, to your cause; however, use it improperly, and it will spell disaster. Learn how to get into peoples heads and disarm them that way, I've always been a small guy, but I've won far more fights with my mind than with my fists (I've never lost a fistfight.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    I find it ironic so many glibly call others stupid and ignorant, yet couldn't pass a third grade spelling bee.

    /ironic is ironic
    //slashies
    It's like rai-ain on your wedding day

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    I think you handled it very well. I probably would have shot them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie1826 View Post
    Think this is the right spot if not, mods please move.

    I know there are a million sheep threads on here but I just had an aggravating conversation while out to dinner tonight and I need to vent.
    My wife's aunt and uncle are in town and took us to dinner tonight. They are pretty liberal so I didn't mention anything gun related (I was carrying), but they actually started the subject. They were working security at some church function a while back and were amazed that people were trying to bring guns. I asked them if the people had CHPs and they said that they all did, so I asked them what the problem is. They said that they don't know who the bad ones are so they don't want anyone but security carrying.
    My response was "well the bad guys aren't just going to let you find their gun, and they are also not going to show you their permit to carry it." They looked at me like I was an idiot. They said that no matter what they would find it . Then they go on to talk about how prepared their security is. So I mention the Fort Hood shooting; I know its still a tender subject, I actually lost a close friend there; but I brought it up because it doesn't matter how "prepared" you are it can happen anytime anywhere, this happened on a U.S. military installation.
    They actually responded with, "Well they weren't expecting it, our security knows when to expect it."...!!!!
    Their church security must get that infamous criminal schedule because the military sure doesn't.
    This is where the conversation ended for me because there was obviously no getting through to them. I did find it kind of ironic that I was carrying the whole time and they had no idea.
    Thanks for letting me rant, I had to vent somewhere and my wife gets mad when I talk about her family lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    It's like rai-ain on your wedding day

    Like a free-ee ride and you're not going that way


    Irony is naming the National Airport after the President who fired the air traffic controllers, irony is the first cloning of a sheep taking place in Scotland.
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