Why does MN only accept a few out of state permits?

Why does MN only accept a few out of state permits?

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    Why does MN only accept a few out of state permits?

    Just a question. Why would they accept a VA permit that requires only online training, and not accept a NC CHP that requires an on-site 8-hour class and qualifying with a handgun?

    Anyone with insights?


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    Permit Honored:
    Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Wyoming
    Permit Not Honored:
    Alabama, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, District of Columbia

    No idea why. It's a reciprocity agreement and NC does not recognize Minnesota's, so I don't know which side is holding it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Just a question. Why would they accept a VA permit that requires only online training, and not accept a NC CHP that requires an on-site 8-hour class and qualifying with a handgun?

    Anyone with insights?
    The Minnesota web site does not state that it honors Virginia permits?

    Permit to Carry List of States

    This data is from Handgunlaw.us, and I know Gary has been on vacation for a while. I've been away--has Minnesota recently added states? If so, please forgive my ignorance.
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    I checked last night on his site, and they accept only a handful of other states' resident permits - Virginia is one of them, but NC is not. VA has a pretty lax standard compared to NC, even though NC isn't that strict.

    That was my question. Minnesota seems pretty miserly about accepting other state permits, and I was wondering if anyone had any idea why they were being so dickish about it.

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    It usually has to do with the Attorney Generals of the particular state and their personal views about gun ownership.

    Both AG's must agree and then an official letter is usually posted somewhere that makes it all happen.

    Like anything else, some are quick to embrace reciprocal laws and others will drag their feet and kick and scream as long as they can to delay it because they don't want common citizens being armed.

    This comes from someone that has been active in getting Reciprocal benefits recognized for the state of Arkansas, that is now up to 33 states that recognize our CHL, soon to be 36...if all goes according to plan.

    Also keep in mind that some states are very slow about keeping their list updated.
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    Thanks, HotGuns. That was the explanation I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    I checked last night on his site, and they accept only a handful of other states' resident permits - Virginia is one of them, but NC is not.
    I'd be careful...while Virginia is shown on the map depiction, it is not listed as a state honored in the text below the map:

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/minnesota.pdf

    I'd contact Minnesota directly if I were a Virginia permit holder and I wanted to carry there, just to be absolutely certain.
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    Hmmmm.... John K's post says the state does honor Virginia.

    Guess I had better go to the source.

    Thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Just a question. Why would they accept a VA permit that requires only online training, and not accept a NC CHP that requires an on-site 8-hour class and qualifying with a handgun?

    Anyone with insights?
    Don't know if I have any insights but here is what our state's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension posts on their website.

    Minnesota law requires that states must have substantially similar standards in order to be granted permit to carry reciprocity. In determining which states currently meet that standard, the Department considered a number of components of the new law, including handgun training requirements, use of criminal background checks, mutual reciprocity issues, as well as prohibitions for criminal convictions and civil commitments. Another crucial consideration was other states’ ability to provide Minnesota law enforcement personnel with confirmation of permit validity 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

    As to the on-line VA training vs. the NC classroom training, I would ask, Has the VA training always been on-line or is it fairly new? I would guess if it is two or three years old or less, MN hasn't caught it and made an adjustment if they feel it is necessary. If it might make you feel better, MN recognizes TX but TX does not recognize my MN permit. TX being my birth state and a place we travel to once a year or so. Thank goodness for the PA permit that TX recognizes.

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    One answer for you, politics. VA online training is fairly new (last 3 yrs I think), and the General Assembly has only recently allowed it to fulfill the training requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Just a question. Why would they accept a VA permit that requires only online training, and not accept a NC CHP that requires an on-site 8-hour class and qualifying with a handgun?

    Anyone with insights?
    A lot of states seem to have this issue of recognizing state A but not B even though the state's requirements are the same. There could be slight differences in disqualifiers, database info,exc. Or, the AG is just lazy or doesn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Hmmmm.... John K's post says the state does honor Virginia.

    Guess I had better go to the source.

    Thanks for the info!
    Right - the link in Falcon1's post is the MN Dept of Public Safety, and it says no Virginia.

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    I got my info from Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps

    With the Attorney Generals being involved, you don't always have a carry-friendly person in there even if you have a friendly Governor. The MN AG's have been 'good Democrats.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Just a question. Why would they accept a VA permit that requires only online training, and not accept a NC CHP that requires an on-site 8-hour class and qualifying with a handgun?

    Anyone with insights?
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    The issue is that our carry law states that the AG must review other state's CCW laws and issue reciprocity to any that are substantially similar.

    The AG is a DFL politician, and somehow identifying states for reciprocity never makes it very high on her priority list.
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