Weapons Free Zone.....

Weapons Free Zone.....

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    Weapons Free Zone.....

    Would the following apply to me if I have my concealed Carry License?

    The first word is "Unless"


    I was entering the building for a training class. I chose to return to my car and lock my S&W 9 in my lock-box

    Honestly, this is the first time I have seen this verbage.... Technically, I am "authorized by law" to carry a weapon.... so...


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    Weapon Free Zone??

    I have a CCW, gun is CCW, I am going in. I do not live in Ohio but the only place where I cannot CCW is in Church, but it is just outside in the car at the nearest rear exit.
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    Here are some groups you might want to join, they do lots of good in the Buckeye state.

    Ohioans For Concealed Carry - The Premier Gun Rights Organization in Ohio Since 1999
    Buckeye Firearms Association | Defending Your Firearm Rights

    Unless its changed recently, Ohio has never really said what signage applies to make a place a "gun free zone". Per the BFA website, places restricted to carry in Ohio are:

    * Any law enforcement station or detention facility
    * Courthouse or building housing a courtroom
    * Govt. building (dedicated restroom, shelter, car park okay)
    * Place of worship (unless specifically allowed)
    * Any airplane and most airport buildings
    * Institution for the care of mentally ill persons
    * School zone (drop off/pick up okay if you stay in car), college or university (lock and leave in car okay)
    * Child day-care center
    * Any licensed facility where alcohol is being consumed
    * Wherever federal law prohibits the carrying of handguns
    * Any building or property posted as a "no gun zone"
    But really, legal advice on the internet is what you pay for it, contact an attorney who specializes in firearms/self defense laws, or talk to you local pd about it.
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    From the wordage on the sign I would assume they want everyone to leave their hands and feet outside, oldest weapons known to man.
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    In the Ohio concealed carry handbook it shows an example of a sign which states that weapons are not allowed. The handbook can also be found online here 2009 Concealed Carry Laws Manual
    I also found a model sign posted on the Attorney Generals website here Model Concealed Carry Sign
    On the sign shown it does say "Unless otherwise authorized by law" so my opinion would be no you can not carry there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    From the wordage on the sign I would assume they want everyone to leave their hands and feet outside, oldest weapons known to man.
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    "Unless otherwise authorized by law".. Ok, the law has authorized me to carry, I'd personally ignore the sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhamrichard View Post
    "Unless otherwise authorized by law".. Ok, the law has authorized me to carry, I'd personally ignore the sign.
    that's how I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhamrichard View Post
    "Unless otherwise authorized by law".. Ok, the law has authorized me to carry, I'd personally ignore the sign.
    I disagree. The prohibited places list posted above includes signed premises.

    So your authorization to carry does not extend to a posted property. Thus, you are not "otherwise authorized by law".

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    From the Ohio AG's booklet (page 17 in the 2009 copy) you are required to read before getting your CHL:

    2009 Concealed Carry Laws Manual

    Signage
    The law does not say precisely what language must be on the sign. At a minimum, signs must be conspicuous and inform people that frearms and/or concealed handguns are prohibited. However, the law suggests that the prohibited locations post a sign that substantially says the following:
    Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no person shall knowingly possess, have under the person’s control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadly handgun or dangerous ordnance onto these premises.
    An example of a standard warning sign approved for use on state buildings appears below. If you see this sign, it means that you cannot bring your concealed handgun inside. Businesses and persons wishing to post such signs are strongly advised to consult their legal counsel for language, style, format and placement.
    The unless otherwise authorized by law part, basically means for LE personnel in the performance of their duties and the like.
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    That was a very silly “no gun” sign.
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    Boy I am glad I live in a "signs mean nothing" state. The duty to retreat sucks, but I guess take the good with the bad.
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    I noticed that the sign in question stated "no weapons." Yet the quoted Ohio requirement for signs stated "firearms." Here in FL, the state statutes on firearms and weapons defines them differently and separately. Under the state's definition of "weapons," firearms are specifically excluded.

    I'd say this is a very gray area. This needs an Ohio "legal" determination. No judge wants to hear, "But I thought..." or "I asked on a forum and..."
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    Thanks for all of the feedback guys.

    As stated, I did return to my car and secure my "weapon."
    I would rather be safe (legaly) than sorry and lose my right to carry or something stupid, but have been lurking here and thought I would get someone elses thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhioDoberman View Post
    Thanks for all of the feedback guys.

    As stated, I did return to my car and secure my "weapon."
    I would rather be safe (legaly) than sorry and lose my right to carry or something stupid, but have been lurking here and thought I would get someone elses thoughts.
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