Handcuffs a part of EDC?

Handcuffs a part of EDC?

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    Handcuffs a part of EDC?

    I am wondering about the legality of handcuffing a BG that you somehow managed to subdue without killing. I'm not saying I think I am a LEO or anything, but it might be nice to have a wave to control the BG until the 5-0 arrives, right?

    Maybe I am looking at it wrong. Input?
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    Its not our job to be a police officer. It is your job to either avoid confrontation, or to end a threat to your life. Handcuffing someone, especially without a cover man, is a very dangerous proposition, and the BG will probably not lay their passively while you put them on.

    If you end the threat, then great. If the BG runs away, you should be calling the cops anyways since you pulled your weapon, at that point just be a good witness.
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    Nope, not going to carry them. I dont know the "legality", but I dont need them. If I stop a threat he can lay there and bleed. If he gives up and lays on the ground, great the police will handle him. If he runs away, he runs away. We sometimes for get that we carry to protect ourselves. I in no way want anything to do with trying to detain someone.
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    Been discussed before. Almost universally agreed that it's a BAD idea.
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    I see your points and agree. thanks for the input!

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    I'm not getting close enough to someone I've either already shot or drew on, to put handcuffs on him! I'm not LEO and don't want to be.
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    Until I'm sworn, my arrest authority extends to "get on the ground!" and "don't shoot me as you run away!"

    So basically it comes down to... well, "drop the weapon! get on the ground!" and when the person runs away, I'm on 911 saying "yes, he's wearing <whatev> and he's in <some car> and he just left."

    Also likely going to be like, "I'm wearing <pants>, <some shirt>, am armed" etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    Its not our job to be a police officer. It is your job to either avoid confrontation, or to end a threat to your life. Handcuffing someone, especially without a cover man, is a very dangerous proposition, and the BG will probably not lay their passively while you put them on.

    If you end the threat, then great. If the BG runs away, you should be calling the cops anyways since you pulled your weapon, at that point just be a good witness.
    This is your answer.

    Not to mention it puts you in a legally dangerous position (IANAL)...kidnapping, unlawful detainment, battery, impersonating a LEO, etc.

    I carry a firearm to protect myself and my family....I don't pretend I'm a LEO...

    IMO, if you want to carry cuffs and detain someone, get the training and become a LEO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shackleton View Post
    I am wondering about the legality of handcuffing a BG that you somehow managed to subdue without killing. I'm not saying I think I am a LEO or anything, but it might be nice to have a wave to control the BG until the 5-0 arrives, right?

    Maybe I am looking at it wrong. Input?
    Very wrong!

    Sorry to be so blunt, but that's how I see it. There's an old saying, "Distance is your friend." This is true in regards to gunfights and to the proximity of badguys being held at gunpoint.

    If the badguy wants to run, let him or her go. If someone doesn't want to submit to being held at gunpoint, and I'm not working, they can run as quick and as far as they want. I won't be chasing them unless some other unusual circumstance requires that I do so.

    Carrying handcuff ranks up there with the CCW Badge.

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    Last edited by BikerRN; June 26th, 2010 at 02:23 AM. Reason: clarify topic

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    No, no, no...need to be a pretend LEO! You'll be thrown in jail for impersonation!
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    A very, very bad idea . Furthermore, I do not want to be that close to a BG when he most probably is very mad and wants to put me to sleep forever .
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    I'm not getting that close. If I had to shoot, hopefully he's no longer up to resisting.
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    Cool

    The only handcuffs you need to think of having are fur lined and not for a bad guy.

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    I agree.

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    I'm not a cop.
    I don't want to be a cop.
    I don't want people to think I'm a cop.

    I have zero desire to detain people.

    If you put me in a self-defense situation, I either want you out of my presence or incapacitated in some way, be that dead or alive.

    I carry a gun so that I don't HAVE to touch dangerous assailants to defend myself. The idea of VOLUNTARILY coming into contact distance seems like a VERY bad idea, especially with my prisoner taking training limited to what I learned in ROTC and the Infantry Officer Basic Course in the 1970s.

    If my assailant runs away, he's the cops' problem after I dial 911. If he persists in his attack, he's no longer a problem at all.

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