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    May not have told him he didnt deserve kids, but that us your choice. I do agree that a man takes the reponsibility to protect his family. He chose to make it about guns when you didnt. You did what you feel is best for your family. No regrets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    Having read through all this, a few things are pretty clear:

    1. Sentioch has given very good advice
    2. The OP is not interested in good advice, he wants confirmation only
    3. The operative word here is "contempt." A bad thing to feel for family.

    This quote is telling:



    The use of the word "smugly" here is redolent of contempt. One would never use a term like this to describe the behavior of a person for whom one feels any level of affection.

    And then this:



    Well who died and made you God? Leveling this kind of judgement on your relatives makes you sound like a pompous busybody. What, you walked around their house looking for fire extinguishers? You say you've only spoken to your brother a few times over the years yet you suddenly have all this knowledge about their car seats and the 24/7 status of their garage door?

    The details here don't add up right, but if any of the reportage here is true (and I'm guessing only a very small amount of it is), then you're leading with your jaw. You're forcing your beliefs on your brother and sister-in-law, acting shocked that they don't conform to your politics, and writing them off with contempt and, arguably, hatred.

    They're getting the better end of this deal.

    Carrying concealed means carrying concealed. The only reason to display your firearm was to rub it in your brother's face: "Hey there, Mr Liberal Fancy-Pants, lookie here! I was carrying a gun all the time I was here. Haw haw haw! Whaddya think about that?"

    A terrible thing to do. Even so, if asked to not do that again when visiting, the adult response would be to put a gun safe under your car seat and secure your firearm on the next visit. It's called "respecting the wishes of your host." If you are a visitor, and your host asks that you remove your shoes at the door, you take off your shoes - you don't make a federal case out of it.

    And what the hell do you care who they voted for? They are free to cast their votes as they like. What, you're restricting all family contacts solely to those who voted for the Ghost and Mrs Palin? Far as I can tell, the majority of the country found that choice unpalatable.

    Also, I apologize if the tone of this comment is unsupportive. I'd much prefer to write, "good on you - keep your wife and children safe from these gun-grabbing weenie liberals and never contact them again as long as you live." But no matter how I shake this, it seems to me that you've inspected their lives and choices like some blue-stockinged censor, found them wanting, and blanketed them as family, as individuals, and as human beings with a thick layer of unbridled scorn.
    I said the same thing in my post...only nicer Good post Shock...I see it the same way.

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    I am in a similar situation with my sister. We actually haven't had contact with each other for some time due to what she calls, "extreme philosophical differences" and that I am "endangering my childrens life." etc, etc, etc.

    She refuses to talk about her politics. She became an extreme liberal democrat and stopped talking about her politics with the family when my dad and I picked apart her every argument to show how poor her thinking really was. She is a very liberal democrat who feels its the governments job to take care of us. She even said it once "what is the government for if not to take care of us?" She used to be a good thinker, but now she can't have an independent thought - and has stated that the majority of thought of must be correct. She loves the and worships the current administration, and refuses to believe he can make a mistake.

    I miss my sister - but she has refused to have anything to do with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    I'm with you, Mike, about it being a package deal. If he wants to make it all about the gun, that's on him, not you. You are making it about your family's security.

    At least your wife is with you on this one. Good for her for not wanting them to influence your children.
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    Sorry to hear about your situation Mike, that stinks. I can relate, my Mom & sisters are big liberals (maybe I was adopted) so I've never bothered to tell them that I carry.
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    To me, family is the most important thing I have...

    My wife is very uncomfortable around weapons...but she accepts that I am skilled enough to handle them safely, and she understands my reasons...

    My daughter is very uncomfortable around weapons, and she has asked me not to carry in their house...some time this month she will make me a proud grand father...there is NOTHING that I will allow to come between us...

    My parents are getting old (dad is 82, mom is 78) and they still live in Massachusetts...as does one of my brothers, whom I am close to...I know I can't carry in MA...that will not keep me from visiting family...

    I've read arguements in this thread anout "manhood" and "rights"...family trumps all, IMHO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardworker View Post
    Sounds like you are both being stubborn. At the end of the day you've got to decide what's worth more to you. Would you rather humor your brother and go unarmed or would you rather ruin your relationship over something as trivial as carrying a pistol that in all likelihood will never get used to shoot anything. I think some people confuse the right to carry with the duty to carry.

    It shouldn't be an issue..period.

    The street runs both ways...should his brother be bothered by which tools Mike carries??

    I think if you read more threads here, I don't think anyone is confusion right to carry with a duty to carry.

    It's a lifestyle choice....granted, one that includes personal protection--most people don't feel/see the need. Mike (and others, including myself) sees the need. I let no one dictate where I carry (IAW the law) or what/how I carry (also IAW the law).

    If his brother (and his brother's wife) is of the mindset/background that embraces diversity, why should someone who carries a firearm be discriminated against?? What about having an open mind and accepting new/different ideas??
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    Mike, it's very clear that you are putting the gun issue right in their face in a very confrontational way. You can't stand their liberal ways and you want to let them know about it.

    This entire issue could have easily been avoided.

    It's apparent that this issue goes well beyond your brother. You seem threatened by any liberal and the paranoia that every liberal is trying to take away your right to bear arms and you want to protest by getting in their face about it. I've got news for you...there are many conservatives that don't like guns also.

    You need to understand that you can't make people like guns. Some do some don't. Some people are VERY uncomfortable being around guns. They have every right to feel this way.

    NO ONE knows when I carry. Not even my wife. I am now a grandfather and if my daughter told me not to bring a gun in the house I would follow her wishes because I love her more than my gun. However this is not a problem because I always carry but I never tell anyone.

    It's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    Having read through all this, a few things are pretty clear:

    1. Sentioch has given very good advice
    2. The OP is not interested in good advice, he wants confirmation only
    3. The operative word here is "contempt." A bad thing to feel for family.

    This quote is telling:



    The use of the word "smugly" here is redolent of contempt. One would never use a term like this to describe the behavior of a person for whom one feels any level of affection.

    And then this:



    Well who died and made you God? Leveling this kind of judgement on your relatives makes you sound like a pompous busybody. What, you walked around their house looking for fire extinguishers? You say you've only spoken to your brother a few times over the years yet you suddenly have all this knowledge about their car seats and the 24/7 status of their garage door?

    The details here don't add up right, but if any of the reportage here is true (and I'm guessing only a very small amount of it is), then you're leading with your jaw. You're forcing your beliefs on your brother and sister-in-law, acting shocked that they don't conform to your politics, and writing them off with contempt and, arguably, hatred.

    They're getting the better end of this deal.

    Carrying concealed means carrying concealed. The only reason to display your firearm was to rub it in your brother's face: "Hey there, Mr Liberal Fancy-Pants, lookie here! I was carrying a gun all the time I was here. Haw haw haw! Whaddya think about that?"

    A terrible thing to do. Even so, if asked to not do that again when visiting, the adult response would be to put a gun safe under your car seat and secure your firearm on the next visit. It's called "respecting the wishes of your host." If you are a visitor, and your host asks that you remove your shoes at the door, you take off your shoes - you don't make a federal case out of it.

    And what the hell do you care who they voted for? They are free to cast their votes as they like. What, you're restricting all family contacts solely to those who voted for the Ghost and Mrs Palin? Far as I can tell, the majority of the country found that choice unpalatable.

    Also, I apologize if the tone of this comment is unsupportive. I'd much prefer to write, "good on you - keep your wife and children safe from these gun-grabbing weenie liberals and never contact them again as long as you live." But no matter how I shake this, it seems to me that you've inspected their lives and choices like some blue-stockinged censor, found them wanting, and blanketed them as family, as individuals, and as human beings with a thick layer of unbridled scorn.
    Wow, this is a great post. I agree 100%. We have rights to love our guns, people have rights to hate them. No reason we should be infringing on that right, just like we kick and scream for people to accept ours.

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    Well TnMike, I believe you've hit a raw nerve here.
    The choice to insist that your brother respect you rightsis yours and yours alone to make and good for you in doing so IMO
    Let me ask you this question Mike. If your brother had told you to leave your religion at home and not wear a Cross or a Star of David around him would you have done that?
    I'm sure that everyone here would agree with your response to him had he told you to leave your God at home.
    Why?Because that is you right as an Individual.
    There are a lot of people that talk the talk but when it comes time to insist
    that people respect there rights about guns they cave like a house of cards.
    Good for you for standing up and being a man!!!!
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    my "take away" from this discussion:

    1. Only REAL men carry guns.
    2. Blood is thicker than water, but gunpowder is thicker than blood.
    3. Anybody who bets against 1 in 90,000 odds is an idiot unworthy of the bodily fluids used to concieve them.

    If I were an anti... you would have convinced me that:

    1. Most people who carry are "compensating."
    2. Nobody matters but me (the gun-toting-bada**-shepherd)
    3. No "gun-toting-bada**-shepherd" should ever go to a casino.

    And finally:
    As a group, those of us who carry, need to do a better job of representing ourselves. We will never win friends and influence people like this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    my "take away" from this discussion:
    My "take away" from the comments of the appeasers:

    Being on bad terms with a family member with poor reasoning skills is FAR worse than being robbed, raped or murdered and having the same happen to your loved ones.

    Apparently ego and cultish ideology trump the ability to defend oneself and ones family. Oddly that appears to only work one way, as its equally apparent that it would be "wrong" to demand that all of MY visitors be lawfully armed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    my "take away" from this discussion:

    1. Only REAL men carry guns.
    2. Blood is thicker than water, but gunpowder is thicker than blood.
    3. Anybody who bets against 1 in 90,000 odds is an idiot unworthy of the bodily fluids used to concieve them.

    If I were an anti... you would have convinced me that:

    1. Most people who carry are "compensating."
    2. Nobody matters but me (the gun-toting-bada**-shepherd)
    3. No "gun-toting-bada**-shepherd" should ever go to a casino.

    And finally:
    As a group, those of us who carry, need to do a better job of representing ourselves. We will never win friends and influence people like this...

    +1

    You sure didn't do any of us any favors. You told your brother that he wasn't deserving of his own children because he doesn't tote around a loaded pistol like you? You flashed your piece when you knew he wouldn't be pleased?

    Just wow......

    The odds he will ever need a loaded pistol to defend himself and/or his family are *very* slim. Just going from your portrayal of the confrontation, you came across to him as a gun-crazed loon.

    People make a variety of personal risk decisions. You made yours, and he has his. Learn to respect them, and he will be more respectful of you. Perhaps if you had left the lines of communication open, you could at least enlighten him about your choices. Instead, you made this an all-or-nothing throw-down.

    Personally, I'd simply stow my gun in my COM car safe and enjoy family times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    My "take away" from the comments of the appeasers:

    Being on bad terms with a family member with poor reasoning skills is FAR worse than being robbed, raped or murdered and having the same happen to your loved ones.

    Apparently ego and cultish ideology trump the ability to defend oneself and ones family. Oddly that appears to only work one way, as its equally apparent that it would be "wrong" to demand that all of MY visitors be lawfully armed...
    Really(bolded)...ask your wife or girlfriend if they'd like to try it some time. Then try to live with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    The odds he will ever need a loaded pistol to defend himself and/or his family are *very* slim.
    If I had a dime for every time I've heard an anti-gunner use that as a justification for banning handguns, I'd be able to buy Joe Biden a working brain.

    Not that the OP or anyone else needs to do anyone any "favors", but your "argument" only does a favor to AHSA and VPC.

    When you need a gun, you're going to need it VERY badly indeed, and likely nothing else will get the job done, certainly not with the least UNNECESSARY danger to the victim. For sure, the last time I needed a gun, the approval of a distant family member would have been a VERY poor substitute.

    I cannot predict the future, either of the stock market or of my need for a handgun. That being the case, I can be prepared to defend myself or not. I choose to be prepared. Eccentric that I am, I prefer to be alive to be disliked by an estranged relative than to be praised by him like Marc Antony of Caesar. For like Caesar, in the end, my lack of preparation will end in my burial.

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