So put yourself in my shoes on Saturday on my drive to Vegas...

So put yourself in my shoes on Saturday on my drive to Vegas...

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    So put yourself in my shoes on Saturday on my drive to Vegas...

    Okay, this forum does not allow for any discussion of breaking of local laws and ordinances, and I totally get that. So put yourself in my shoes and as an AAR give me some feedback on your response to the following situation:

    I had to drive to Vegas from my home in AZ for a wedding on Saturday. I gotta be home Sunday morning, so we are driving there and back on Saturday. I have my Arizona CCW, which is not valid in NV. However, NV is an OC state. No worries there, except that on the strip (the wedding was being held in a hotel on the strip) if you OC you will absolutely get harassed by LVPD and the MWAG calls aren't really worth it.

    No problem...my plan is to CC to the border, OC in NV until we park the car and then stow it in a hidden place in the car while we are in the casino.

    Well an hour into the drive the AC on my truck dies. (Sigh...) It's about 108 outside, but there isn't time to go home to change vehicles and still make it to the wedding. So my wife and I soldiered on. By the time we got to Vegas I was about as sticky and hot and sweaty as I could possibly be. We got towards the strip and I called my sister, who was already there. She told me that self-parking at the hotel was full a half-hour before we got there, and that valet was the only parking available.

    Here is my dilemma: what to do with the firearm? Do I pull over before we get there and hide the gun? Do I pull into the valet lot, get out of the car and put the sidearm where it will go? Either of those options will leave a car in valet parking with a firearm in it, whether they know that or not. Or, do I put the cover garment on and pray that "concealed means concealed," and head to the wedding? Do I try to OC and almost certainly get booted from the casino?

    For the record, I don't drink a drop and then drive, so no alcohol is involved. I also did not gamble one bit this trip. So those are not factors. I also do not have a COM safe in the truck; it would have to go either in the console or under a seat.

    I would love input as to how you would have solved the situation. My goal is not to cause a fuss, not get harassed, celebrate my cousin's wedding and then get home so I can do my job on Sunday morning, which is to pastor our church.
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    Unload and secure the weapon with a lock, and place it in your luggage and take it with you. I'm not sure about NV, but here in NC a secured firearm is not a concealed firearm.

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    Take a NV concealed course and pay the 5 year fee.

    Do you have a bag to put the weapon in? Are you staying at the hotel?

    Drop your wife off at the door, skip the valet and self park at another hotel and walk a little. That should solve your issue.What casino, I go there often and have NEVER found a self park full on a week day or weekend.

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    I've typed out an answer three times now, and keep deleting it because I don't like any of them. My initial thought was to unload and place the EDC in a soft case, then (without revealing the contents) place it in a hotel safe for the duration of the festivities. If your cousin was staying there, using a room safe would even be better. But getting it from here to there would require carrying a handgun in a case through a hotel on the strip (not a good idea) or carrying it concealed until you could place it in a room safe (illegal).

    I don't like the idea of leaving it in a car since you didn't have a lockable case / safe in the vehicle. Any chance you could have found a place to purchase one on the way? I'll be interested to see how others respond to this one.
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    One of my grandkids is a valet parking attendant and after hearing some of the stories (second hand) he's told I would never under any circumstance leave my firearm unattended in a car that a valet was going to be in.

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    Old military saying: prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

    It sounds like you had prior knowledge of this engagement and knew you wanted to take your ccw. A pre-trip visit to a local gun store would have garnered you a nice COM safe for the trip. Plus, you will find many uses for it in the future.

    If I didn't have a way to LOCK the firearm in the car, I would have simply left it at home for the day trip. Even if you used self parking, you would still be just leaving it poorly secured in the glovebox or the like.

    Our family cars have COM safes keyed the same, so either my wife or I can use the safe in any car. We each have a key. I take my COM safe out to use for air travel in my luggage. There are also those times when we decide to pop into a retaurant that serves alcohol (another stupid NC gun law), so my COM gets a lot of good use.

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    Get a trigger lock and install it on the gun. Put it in a hidden location in the car, then park somewhere else and walk.
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    "Well an hour into the drive the AC on my truck dies. (Sigh...) It's about 108 outside, but there isn't time to go home to change vehicles and still make it to the wedding. So my wife and I soldiered on. By the time we got to Vegas I was about as sticky and hot and sweaty as I could possibly be. "

    But, it's dry heat.!!!!!
    If you stay on the well traveled Las Vegas tourist routes, most likely you will not need your firearm. Venture a ways off the strip and it turns ghetto real quick.
    If it were me, I would bag, hide, and secure that pistol before reaching the parking valet.
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    In your exact situation, I would have pulled over prior to arrival at the casino and put the weapon in my luggage, unloaded. Go straight to the room as soon as possible, and put it in the hotel safe. Reverse the process on the way out.

    I had a situation a long time ago where I pulled up to a full service car wash and realized as I was pulling up to the first station that I had a handgun in the center console. I did basically the same thing, acted like I was deaf and leaned over while I shoved it into a backpack as quickly and discreetly as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    In your exact situation, I would have pulled over prior to arrival at the casino and put the weapon in my luggage, unloaded. Go straight to the room as soon as possible, and put it in the hotel safe. Reverse the process on the way out.
    Did I read the scenario wrong? I thought this was a day-trip for a wedding. I wasn't aware you would have had a hotel room or luggage for that matter. Perhaps you had your suit jacket and tie on a hanger in the back, but I didn't think luggage/hotel room was an option.

    Main roads into/out of Vegas with a two- to three-hour stay for a wedding ceremony and reception? Seriously, I would have left it at home. You would have had to leave it sometime. While you're driving at 80 mph, you're normally pretty safe. Just pick a well-lit, busy gas station on the way home. Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Did I read the scenario wrong? I thought this was a day-trip for a wedding. I wasn't aware you would have had a hotel room or luggage for that matter. Perhaps you had your suit jacket and tie on a hanger in the back, but I didn't think luggage/hotel room was an option.
    "Hey bud, I've got some stuff I don't want to leave in my car, do you mind if I drop it off in your room?"

    I'm just suggesting alternatives to openly carrying, illegally concealing, or not bringing it. I've made that drive, if my car broke down at night I'd want my weapon with me.

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    Stop the truck before you arrive, open the hood, remove the air cleaner, wrap gun in cloth, affix the gun inside, re-install air cleaner, shut the hood and continue on. I'm sure the valets are not going to do maintenance on the air cleaner after they park it. LOL
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    I would be just as torn as you are. Im a big fan of concealed means concealed in my home state, but out of state it would be pretty frightening, the repricussions of being caught if anything happened. Just leave it at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    "Hey bud, I've got some stuff I don't want to leave in my car, do you mind if I drop it off in your room?"

    I'm just suggesting alternatives to openly carrying, illegally concealing, or not bringing it. I've made that drive, if my car broke down at night I'd want my weapon with me.
    OK - next question. His permit doesn't allow him to carry concealed in the state. How does he legally get his gun through the lobby, connect with someone at the wedding, then haul it up to someone else's room? Open carry in front of the wedding guests? I doubt taking out the magazine qualifies as secure transit at that point. It's illegal concealed carry if it's concealed.

    Also, wouldn't that "buddy" be a bit curious what you're leaving in their room? At that point, you may as well just press on and illegally conceal carry. You've already broken a couple other laws with it, and you still risk having it end up with the housekeeper's gangbanger boyfriend or the guy who refills the mini-bar.

    It's probably statistically more likely he'll end up in the LV slammer on a weapons charge than needing it to defend himself on the highway.

    Of course, I'm one of those gadflies who doesn't claim to carry 24/7, and I will always stack the odds in my favor. That's a heck of a risk weighed against a miniscule probablility of needing your sidearm.

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    I would have had a way to lock up my weapon prior to the trip knowing I'd need to do that.

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