Application denial?

Application denial?

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    Question Application denial?

    Hi Guys and Gals,
    I was reading one of the other posts where it was stated that a down graded LTC in MA could lead to having to state "denied" on all other applications for CCW permit.
    I had been thinking about getting an out of state CCW from NH but then I wasnt sure if I had been denied a license from MA when I lived there. I dont have a CCW now because I live in VT.
    I had applied for a class A LTC and the PO I talked to said he wasnt going to go to the Chief with the application because I didnt need a class A but he said he would give me a class B. I never went and got it because I thought it was stupid that I couldnt carry so why bother.
    Anyways, my question is, does this count as being denied because I never paid the money to have the application sent in or had my finger prints taken?
    Benjamin Franklin once said, "he that would supplant a little liberty for a little safety deserves neither".


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    If you never applied (i.e. paid money, left an application) you were NOT denied. If you apply for LTC-A and get issued LTC-B (Downgrade) you were NOT denied.

    Denied means they refused to issue you anything (LTC). Restrictions are not a denial.

    You are in the clear according to what you stated here.

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    Thats what i would say if you never applied you weren't denied

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    Denied? From what you said you never really applied.

    Of course remember any "legal" advice you get on this forum is worth as much as you paid for it!
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    Thanks.
    I was thinking that but...I went to fill out the NH form and then I wasnt sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LenS
    If you never applied (i.e. paid money, left an application) you were NOT denied. If you apply for LTC-A and get issued LTC-B (Downgrade) you were NOT denied.

    Denied means they refused to issue you anything (LTC). Restrictions are not a denial.

    You are in the clear according to what you stated here.
    People who have filed for LTC-A/ALP in MA and received LTC-B or restricted LTC-A have filed appeals in court, claiming a "denial" of their license (reason: issued different from request). Judges have uniformly ruled that "a LTC is a LTC" and therefore if you received ANY LTC, you were NOT denied. I realize that this means that the judge has no f'n clue what the different LTCs are/mean, but since that has been their ruling, it definitely gives legal precedence for those that are downgraded to NOT report it forever as a denial.

    If you have a discussion with a chief/officer about LTCs, don't like what you hear and don't bother filing the paperwork, that isn't a denial either. You can ONLY be denied IF you file the paperwork and they fail to issue you ANY LTC.

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