This is a discussion on conceal carry (legal or not) within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; We're on a family vacation in Oscoda Mich. and plan on fishing on the pier of the Ausable river. Now the entrance to the pier ...
Array
We're on a family vacation in Oscoda Mich. and plan on fishing on the pier
of the Ausable river.
Now the entrance to the pier has a sign of the U.S.army
corp of engineers.
Now i'm assuming that it's mantained by the corp so would
that make it federal property and illegal to carry?
thanks in advance for any input.
(SHERIFF BUFORD T. JUSTICE) "what the hell is
the world coming too"
NRA LIFE MEMBER
U.S. ARMY FT.SILL, OKLA.
Just guessing, but if said built by Army Corp, but nothing more you are probably legal. If it says maintained by Army Corp, probably not legal.
Freedom doesn't come free. It is bought and paid for by the lives and blood of our men and women in uniform.
USAF Retired
NRA Life Member
I'm not sure that "maintained by" and "property of" are one and the same. Lake Ochachobee is maintained by C of E, but I believe you can carry a firearm there. Humm.
Retired USAF E-8. Avatar is OldVet from days long gone - 1978. Oh, to be young again...
Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid... "For What It's Worth" Buffalo Springfield
Array
DON'T DO iT!!!
http://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/opto/article.asp?id=77
§ 327.13 Explosives, firearms, other weapons and fireworks.
(a) The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is prohibited unless:
(1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement officer;
(2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under §327.8, with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites;
(3) Being used at authorized shooting ranges; or
(4) Written permission has been received from the District Commander.
(b) Possession of explosives or explosive devices of any kind, including fireworks or other pyrotechnics, is prohibited unless written permission has been received from the District Commander.
[65 FR 6901, Feb. 11, 2000]
Array
Corps of Engineers properties are federal property.
No carry.
Fortune favors the bold.
Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free.
The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)
Array
but just because its built by the corps does that make it their property? I mean if my company builds a power plant....we don't own it..the customer does
Glock 19
Kahr PM9
LMT-M4
Mossberg 590
Shodan, Jujutsu
Array
The COE builds and maintains many of these facilities. They often run recreation areas they build.Originally Posted by ctsketch
Array
Is it only the pier that's posted or is it the entire area?
Any property administered by the US Army Corp of Engineers is subject to Federal law.
Further, all State and Local laws are applicable.
Power plants would not be a good example. Almost all power plants are privately owned but operated as pseudo government. Most power plants, including all nuclear plants are subject to Federal Homeland Security laws and Regulations which makes most of the plant site off-limits to firearms. At nuclear plants that includes the grounds including the employee and contractor parking lots.
If you understand, things are just as they are... If you do not understand, things are just as they are....
- Zen Saying
Array
It's stuff like this that makes me afraid to carry.
I feel like I've really put some time into learning the laws concerning CHL and I never heard of this one.
If I carried all the time I could have very easily committed a crime in this case and never known it.
Scares me more than the BG's....
Array
There is lots of property owned by or controlled by the govt that it is ok to have a firearm on. I would do a little more research if I was you. I would think that if you are accessing the pier for fishing you would be ok. Don't rely on my opinion, do your own research. It is common in the south east for folks to hunt and fish, with a firearm, in areas controlled by the COE.
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around laws. Plato
Array
Just look up the Corps of Engineers office in the area and give them a call. Find out if they are responsible for the area, and if it is recognised as federal land or not.
AlabamaConstitution of 1819: That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defence of himself and the state.
The world doesn't owe you anything. It was here first.-Mark Twain
"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."-John Wayne
Sig P228; Micro Desert Eagle; S&W M&P Compact .357 sig
Array
I too am from Mi. As far as my permit says you can carry here unless otherwise specified.
Array
Interesting thread. We have a lake operated by the C of E and I have never even thought about it. Depending on what we learn I may just have to stop going out there.
Array
The government owned areas that I visit are all specifically posted with "No Firearms" signs. Aren't they supposed to be?
Posting Permissions
LinkBack URL
About LinkBacks
Reply With Quote
