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    conceal carry (legal or not)

    We're on a family vacation in Oscoda Mich. and plan on fishing on the pier
    of the Ausable river.
    Now the entrance to the pier has a sign of the U.S.army
    corp of engineers.
    Now i'm assuming that it's mantained by the corp so would
    that make it federal property and illegal to carry?
    thanks in advance for any input.
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    Just guessing, but if said built by Army Corp, but nothing more you are probably legal. If it says maintained by Army Corp, probably not legal.
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    I'm not sure that "maintained by" and "property of" are one and the same. Lake Ochachobee is maintained by C of E, but I believe you can carry a firearm there. Humm.
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    DON'T DO iT!!!

    http://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/opto/article.asp?id=77

    327.13 Explosives, firearms, other weapons and fireworks.
    (a) The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is prohibited unless:
    (1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement officer;
    (2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under 327.8, with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites;
    (3) Being used at authorized shooting ranges; or
    (4) Written permission has been received from the District Commander.
    (b) Possession of explosives or explosive devices of any kind, including fireworks or other pyrotechnics, is prohibited unless written permission has been received from the District Commander.
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    Corps of Engineers properties are federal property.

    No carry.
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    but just because its built by the corps does that make it their property? I mean if my company builds a power plant....we don't own it..the customer does
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
    but just because its built by the corps does that make it their property? I mean if my company builds a power plant....we don't own it..the customer does
    The COE builds and maintains many of these facilities. They often run recreation areas they build.

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    Is it only the pier that's posted or is it the entire area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
    but just because its built by the corps does that make it their property? I mean if my company builds a power plant....we don't own it..the customer does
    Any property administered by the US Army Corp of Engineers is subject to Federal law.
    Further, all State and Local laws are applicable.

    Power plants would not be a good example. Almost all power plants are privately owned but operated as pseudo government. Most power plants, including all nuclear plants are subject to Federal Homeland Security laws and Regulations which makes most of the plant site off-limits to firearms. At nuclear plants that includes the grounds including the employee and contractor parking lots.
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    It's stuff like this that makes me afraid to carry.

    I feel like I've really put some time into learning the laws concerning CHL and I never heard of this one.

    If I carried all the time I could have very easily committed a crime in this case and never known it.

    Scares me more than the BG's....

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    There is lots of property owned by or controlled by the govt that it is ok to have a firearm on. I would do a little more research if I was you. I would think that if you are accessing the pier for fishing you would be ok. Don't rely on my opinion, do your own research. It is common in the south east for folks to hunt and fish, with a firearm, in areas controlled by the COE.
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    Just look up the Corps of Engineers office in the area and give them a call. Find out if they are responsible for the area, and if it is recognised as federal land or not.
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    I too am from Mi. As far as my permit says you can carry here unless otherwise specified.

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    Interesting thread. We have a lake operated by the C of E and I have never even thought about it. Depending on what we learn I may just have to stop going out there.

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    The government owned areas that I visit are all specifically posted with "No Firearms" signs. Aren't they supposed to be?

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