Disarmed by Security Guard legal?

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    Disarmed by Security Guard legal?

    A friend of mine was recently disarmed and a "citizens arrest" was performed on him by a security guard in the state of Nevada. The guard saw a bulge in his waste band resembling a firearm so while he was exiting the building the guard tackled him, lifted up his shirt, and confiscated the gun.

    My friend is an Arizona resident where it's not necessary to have a CCW permit and was vacationing in Nevada. Granted he didn't have a Nevada CCW but was not brandishing the weapon or threatening anyone. Strictly for personal protection.

    My question is how can it be legal for a security guard to do this not knowing if the person is carrying legal or not?

    Also my friend was detained by the security guard until real police arrived and then was issued a class C Felony.

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    I might have missed something here; your friend was carrying a firearm illegally in Nevada and was disarmed by a security guard although he was not brandishing the weapon or threatening anyone. And what else?
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    Looks like your friend is in trouble. He should of checked the laws of the state he was vacationing in.


    Effective July 1, 2010

    In accordance with NRS 202.3689 (effective October 1, 2007) the State of Nevada will recognize the following States' CCW permit holders:

    Alaska
    Arkansas
    Kansas
    Louisiana
    Michigan
    Missouri
    Nebraska
    New Mexico
    North Carolina
    Ohio
    Tennessee
    Rhode Island
    West Virginia


    This law allows holders of valid permits from these states to carry a concealed weapon while in the State of Nevada. The permit must be in the possession of the issue at all times while carrying a firearm.
    CCW Prohibited Locations defined by NRS 202.3673
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    does your friend realize that when in another state that states laws apply?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    I might have missed something here; your friend was carrying a firearm illegally in Nevada and was disarmed by a security guard although he was not brandishing the weapon or threatening anyone. And what else?
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    does your friend realize that when in another state that states laws apply?....
    I agree it wasn't the smartest move ever but my concern is to how he was disarmed. When did security guards get the power to disarm citizens without knowing either way if the person is legally carrying?

    What if the same thing happened to someone who did have a CCW?

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    My question is where was he? I carry here in Nevada every day and have never been hassled in the least. There is no way the guard would know that he was from AZ, so what initiated the action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back 40 View Post
    My question is where was he? I carry here in Nevada every day and have never been hassled in the least. There is no way the guard would know that he was from AZ, so what initiated the action?
    The story I got was he walked into a casino lobby to use the ATM then went back outside to hail a cab, once outside he was tackled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amend2nd View Post
    The story I got was he walked into a casino lobby to use the ATM then went back outside to hail a cab, once outside he was tackled.
    Sounds like your not getting the whole story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Sounds like your not getting the whole story.
    I read the deposition to the case and everything meshes with what he says.

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    I am sorry, but I think that something is missing here; this cannot be the complete story. And how could someone that carries a gun in the state there he/she lives do not know that carrying a gun without permit in other state is illegal ?
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    I'm no lawyer. But my impression, is that Security guards are there to uphold the rules of their employer and when available intervene and enforce law in the form of a citizens arrest ( i know some states have laws concerning state authorized security guards, making them quasi-cops). Basically, he broke the law and got busted by someone legally.

    The problem is the security guard is not a cop. Police officers are held to a standard where if their arrests aren't kosher the arrest is in jeopardy. Citizens arrest probably does not require this scrutiny. In short... Your friend is in a tough spot. Find a good lawyer, and spend alot of money.

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    the only casino that would give you any trouble would be the Stratosphere, and they would just ask you to leave. the security in these places are pretty well trained and I doubt they would just jump your friend for a bulge in his waist band. I am in sales with the casino industry being my biggest clients and i carry in them everyday and after 5 years not one single problem. There are so many of us here in Las Vegas that CC that they are very familiar with citizens with guns

    One thing people should know that several of the larger casinos have very elaborate that are capable of thermal imaging. These make a side arm stand out like a sore thumb. The gun is usually much cooler than the body and they pick them up all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    I am sorry, but I think that something is missing here; this cannot be the complete story. And how could someone that carries a gun in the state there he/she lives do not know that carrying a gun without permit in other state is illegal ?
    As stated before I read the deposition and that is what happened.

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    . Find a good lawyer, and spend alot of money.
    Know any good ones?

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    What casino was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back 40 View Post
    the only casino that would give you any trouble would be the Stratosphere, and they would just ask you to leave. the security in these places are pretty well trained and I doubt they would just jump your friend for a bulge in his waist band. I am in sales with the casino industry being my biggest clients and i carry in them everyday and after 5 years not one single problem. There are so many of us here in Las Vegas that CC that they are very familiar with citizens with guns

    One thing people should know that several of the larger casinos have very elaborate that are capable of thermal imaging. These make a side arm stand out like a sore thumb. The gun is usually much cooler than the body and they pick them up all the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Back 40 View Post
    What casino was it?
    Don't want to get into specifics.

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