Printing while sitting down

Printing while sitting down

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    Printing while sitting down

    Here's my situation; I'm a bigger fella 5'10" 250lbs and left handed, so keep that in mind. The two guns I carry are my Glock 23 or a full size 1911. If I wear at 9 o'clock, I can avoid most printing when I sit down, but the gun has to rides fairly high and it digs into my side even on OWB carry. I know, loose the weight and problem will be solved...maybe. I'm working on that. If I wear at 7-8 o'clock, the carry is much more comfortable, but when I sit down the grip sticks out and it's obvious I have something on my belt. The only time I am bothered by this is if I'm going out to eat and can't sit in a booth.

    I run into the same printing issue if I bend over to pick something up or get something off a bottom shelf in a store. So, I would like to know what do you do to remedy this. Thanks.


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    I am also a lefty and I am the same size. You might try a holster with a little more cant. I carry in PPS and a full sized M&P in a CTAC with quite a bit of can't and it helps quite a bit.

    Hope this helps.

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    What kind of holster are you currently using?

    I agree adding more cant may help depending on what holster you are already using. If you already have a canted holster then it might be something else. A good cant usually holds the grip of your firearm closer to your body even when bending down. The further you go back around your body the more severe the cant should be. If you are carrying around 7-8 o'clock (which is a very comfortable place to carry, agreed) you should have around a 45 degree cant. That will help a lot.

    Also, having a straighter back will help a lot. If you bend from the knees or sit up straighter in your chair your printing will be less noticeable.

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    This is a proper selection of holster for fit to your own specific body AND specific gun as carried issue.

    There are tens of thousands of holsters out there, standard off the shelf never mind the additional options that are custom fit to the individual user.
    As to being left handed that does not matter at all, unless for some reason specific to you and your own physical build your left side rides higher up than your right.

    Either invest in heavier cover clothing as relative to your environment, or learn to sit with your gun side (left) facing toward solid objects to obscure your printing from the side and rear, or seek out and invest in a better holster system, or lose weight to better fit everything overall, or select/custom build a shorter frame grip firearm to carry on your person (people do this regularly) and/or choose to not carry at all.

    Those are your viable real world options.

    I'm not a Glock man but as to t he 1911 do be aware there have been for decades the option to run an shortened grip length officer frame on a full length upper.
    Colt called it the 'CCO' (Colt Compact Officer) while Springfield for years sold a version called the 'Lightweight Compact' which I used to have and LOVED but is no longer in production. Dan Wesson used to cell the C-BOB with it's frame rearmost edge dog eared off and then there are options from Fusion as well as custom smiths to have your OEM frame reduced....All to make concealed carry and ease of draw that much more efficient.

    Explore your options as they are vast.
    There is no good excuse in this modern age of options to be printing in any way seated or otherwise.

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    The holster for my Glock is a Fist kydex holster with an adjustable cant. I'll try making the cant angle more pronounced and see how that goes. The 1911 is in a Don Hume 721OT pancake holster. It's real comfortable, but not adjustable as far as cant is concerned. I may just use it for certain situations and start the dreaded holster drawer...ugh.

    Thanks for the replies.

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    Have you tried something IWB that keeps the gun deep, canted and with just the grip out so you can draw. Getting it deep and canted like that will help with the printing, and should also help with the digging in.
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    No need to start a holster drawer.

    Go to your local product supply joint and ask to test fit severl holsters including what they might have in the 'discount' bin (unbagged/boxed and returns).
    Of course you'll need a facsimile of your own gun model to do this safely but they should have one of those in stock to loan you for the effort as well.

    Think of this same as you would toward purchasing a pair of shoes, suit or renting tuxedo.
    One size does not fit all and off the rack is by design toward averages.
    If you're an average person then you'll do well. Otherwise a little extra effort is required to secure a good custom fit.

    It can be done without wasting hundreds/thousands of dollars on a random parts and pieces cash waste drawer.

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    Cant will help. Or switch to appendix carry. I did and have no issues.
    I run into the same printing issue if I bend over to pick something up or get something off a bottom shelf in a store. So, I would like to know what do you do to remedy this.
    Squat instead of bending over. Any type of bending prints.
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    Yeah...being left handed means nothing is ever in stock for me. I know it's painfully obvious now that I think about it, but I should try out the right hand holsters to see how they fit and order the lefty version. Sometimes I reckon you get too close to something and need to back up and take a look at it with fresh eyes.

    Janq, it's only during the summer that I run into this when I wear t-shirts. I live in North Georgia, so a fair part of the year I'm able to conceal better with heavier cover garments.

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    Got ya nubby.

    Today I was out with both my kids on a Daddy Adventure day....Just go tin maybe :30m ago for a lunch and rest break before we head back out.
    I carried a full size steel 1911 and a 9 rd. full length spare magazine.

    We were at my local Borders bookshop...In the kids section...Among roughly seven moms with seemingly two kids minimum per.
    I was wearing shorts and a thin t-shirt, with an a-shirt below. My holster is IWB and straight drop (no cant) positioned at three o'clock.
    My normal summer wear.

    No problems.

    You gotta practice this stuff at home first with any clothing you might choose to wear in the world.
    Practice at home what it's constraints are on your own body AND doing select things. You can't do everything in every bit of clothing, while carrying. Memorize this as fact and also memorize what your limits are for a given piece of clothing.
    As well practice when needing to reach an item below your belt line you need to know and practice at _not_ bending over at the waist. If you carry you are no longer able/allowed to do this. Simple.

    Bending downward at the waist is only for folks who are not carrying a gun on their person

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    You must bend at the knees to get down low and/or pick things up same as when lifting a box.

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    If you have knee trouble then well ask a store person to assist you OR practice a leaned over reach as to your strong side .
    Again practice this at home and become adept at before going into the world to apply same. It's training no different than knowing how to handle your firearm.

    This morning I had to put a car seat in a persons car. I was armed same in same clothing with the person standing to my side & rear observing.
    At my own home but the person and situation made for what was effectively a non-permissive environment.
    My options were to either go back in my house and disarm OR deal with the situation in the immediate and make use of well practiced slights of movement and my own body positioning so as to block the observers view, and/or distract them. I choose option two.

    Oh and BTW opposite say you have to reach upward to some item on a shelf.
    Again it's a matter of practiced technique within consideration of know limits per your specific article of clothing, and own height as well as reach maximum.

    An example...

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    The way to pull this off is to use your _off hand_ as in the one that does not have a gun beside it (!).
    As you reach upward your shirt will lift on the side that the hand reaching is making. So to that end it should be a no brainer to _not_ use your gun hand, but alas people do this all the time and then are all shocked when they get seen/busted and confronted. When simply thinking first before acting is the key, along with at home safe place practice.

    Carry requires skill and effort in manner of technique, no different than same as related to actually using the firearm for any purpose.
    IMHO there should be courses available to civilians that focus on just this aspect of living with a gun and having nothing to do at all with actual discharge toward a target/being.

    In summer I regularly carry again a full size gun while wearing just a tank top. You won't see me bending at the waist never no matter what season of the year it is or what I'm wearing even if it's an overcoat.
    Go to Wal-Mart and invest (!) in a cheap full length mirror. They cost like $10 (a box of .22 ammo). Mount it inside or near your clothes closet. Use that to look at yourself in clothes while holstered prior to leavign your home, every day. It may save you some embarrassment if not questioning or even being shot by police (even as you might be a West Point graduate or former military etc.).

    Concealed carry requires and involves effort.
    Effort that should be practiced, at home, as well as modification of lifestyle choices up to and including how you might maneuver your body in space at a given time under given conditions.

    - Janq has been carrying concealed arms (knife, gun, OC) for decades

    P.S. - There are generally two ways/manner to do anything involving an effort.
    The amateur/novice/beginner way...Or the professional/advanced/experienced manner.
    We all start and started out as amateur/novice/beginner with our gun handling skills, shooting skills and carry skills too.
    It is with practice and training that we though move forward and get better/more skilled at our craft, no matter what it is. Shooting, reading, cooking, driving a vehicle, swimming, our work life...You name it.
    Carry as a skill is no different. Strive to improve, for the better of yourself and us all.
    Every time some person gets caught/busted printing as the bend or reach (easy to avoid novice errors) there is great potential for an anti to notice this and by that think of you and us all as being amateurs...And that the only people who should be allowed to carry guns on their person are the 'professionals' (law enforcement).
    It doesn't take a lot.
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    And keep in mind that you are aware you have a CW, most others are not and will never notice. Plain Ts are the worse. A patterned shirt breaks up any outlines.

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    Thanks for all the insight. Janq, you are quite right about the teaching simple things for ccw. I know gun safety and am constantly reading to hone that part of ccw. It is really on forums such as this where the real world application of carrying is discussed. All the proper handling technique won't save you from advertising that your carrying. Again, thanks for the insight.

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    Good for you. Dalton is the land of "in-laws."
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