Help me decide whether or not to take my pistol on my vacation (NV & AZ)

Help me decide whether or not to take my pistol on my vacation (NV & AZ)

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    Help me decide whether or not to take my pistol on my vacation (NV & AZ)

    I am leaving Saturday, and flying SouthWest Airlines, from Florida to Las Vegas, Nevada. I know that Nevada does not honor Florida Concealed Weapons Licenses and understand that I will not be able to carry in that state. Florida laws do not require citizens to have a permit in order to carry a pistol in their vehicle / hotel room etc. What are Nevada's laws regarding hand guns? I would like to have my pistol in my hotel room and road trips (we will be visiting the Hoover Dam, and the desert while in LV).

    Secondly, we are going to be driving to Arizona, where we will be staying at the Grand Canyon Lodge. We will be taking their train to the Grand Canyon, and then back to the hotel. Any special deal with the state of Arizona? They do honor my Florida CWL.

    Has anyone ever flown with a hand gun before? What are the regulations? What are some good tips, do's and dont's?

    I appreciate your aid. Thanks.
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    Have not flown with a firearm. Welcome to AZ, no worries about open or concealed carry. The Grand Canyon is a great place to visit, the train ride is a lot of fun.
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    This may help (I copied this from a post I made on another board):

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    Nevada law (IANAL):
    Nevada is a de facto open carry state and you may open carry if you choose. If you open carry in the high traffic tourist areas of Las Vegas you may have a visit from Metro or, Casino personnel may/will ask you to leave the property if you open carry in any casino. If anyone in authority in any private establishment asks you to leave you must leave under Nevada's trespass law.

    There is no restriction on having a firearm in your car, open or concealed as long as it is not concealed on your person (unless you have a permit).

    There is statewide preemption, but the Attorney General, on her web-site indicates that she may not think it applies in all cases.

    http://ag.state.nv.us/about/faqs/firearms/carry.htm

    If you have a permit that is valid in Nevada:

    Out of State Carry Concealed Weapon Permit Recognition

    Effective July 1, 2010

    In accordance with NRS 202.3689 (effective October 1, 2007) the State of Nevada will recognize the following States' CCW permit holders:

    Alaska
    Arkansas
    Kansas
    Louisiana
    Michigan
    Missouri
    Nebraska
    New Mexico
    North Carolina
    Ohio
    Tennessee
    Rhode Island
    West Virginia


    This law allows holders of valid permits from these states to carry a concealed weapon while in the State of Nevada. The permit must be in the possession of the issue at all times while carrying a firearm.

    CCW Prohibited Locations defined by NRS 202.3673
    Please note that Nevada no longer recognizes CCW permits issued by Utah and Florida. For additional information, please refer to the Nevada Sheriffs€™ and Chiefs€™ Association press release link: NVSCA CCW Press Release

    CCW Prohibited Locations defined by NRS 202.3673

    http://nvrepository.state.nv.us/ccw_changes.shtml

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...#NRS202Sec3688

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    You may carry concealed in Nevada ANYWHERE except:

    Buildings at the airport,
    Schools (including colleges) and child care facilitys,
    Public buildings (that means Government buildings) that are posted or have metal detectors.

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...#NRS202Sec3673

    That includes casinos, bars, clubs, restaurants, whorehouses (they are legal in parts of Nevada), ANYWHERE. They may ask you to leave for any reason, or no reason at all, and, under Nevada's trespass law, you must leave.

    You may drink while carrying. The BAC limit is 0.10 (DUI is 0.08, when they lowered it to get federal highway money they did not change the limit for CCW).

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...l#NRS202Sec257

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    I hope this clears up any questions. Nevada laws concerning weapons are, for the most part at NRS 202.253 through 202.369.

    Have fun in Nevada. Bring lots of money.

    Ken


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    Crimes Against the Person http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-200.html

    NRS 200.120 €œJustifiable homicide€ defined. Justifiable homicide is the killing of a human being in necessary self-defense, or in defense of habitation, property or person, against one who manifestly intends, or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against any person or persons who manifestly intend and endeavor, in a violent, riotous, tumultuous or surreptitious manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein.

    [1911 C&P § 129; RL § 6394; NCL § 10076]€”(NRS A 1983, 518)

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...l#NRS200Sec120

    NRS 200.130 Bare fear insufficient to justify killing; reasonable fear required. A bare fear of any of the offenses mentioned in NRS 200.120, to prevent which the homicide is alleged to have been committed, shall not be sufficient to justify the killing. It must appear that the circumstances were sufficient to excite the fears of a reasonable person, and that the party killing really acted under the influence of those fears and not in a spirit of revenge.

    [1911 C&P § 130; RL § 6395; NCL § 10077]

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...l#NRS200Sec130

    NRS 200.200 Killing in self-defense. If a person kills another in self-defense, it must appear that:

    1. The danger was so urgent and pressing that, in order to save his own life, or to prevent his receiving great bodily harm, the killing of the other was absolutely necessary; and

    2. The person killed was the assailant, or that the slayer had really, and in good faith, endeavored to decline any further struggle before the mortal blow was given.

    [1911 C&P § 137; RL § 6402; NCL § 10084]

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...l#NRS200Sec200

    BODILY INJURY

    NRS 200.275 Justifiable infliction or threat of bodily injury not punishable.

    etc.

    Ken

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    Thank you so much for the VERY informative information. What I got from it was this........

    1) While in Nevada I can have my pistol in the vehicle, as well as in the hotel as long is it is not in the casino?

    2) While in Arizona I am able to carry concealed because Arizona allows carry with a Florida CWL?

    3) What about the train ride in Arizona? Are there any laws prohibiting concealed firearms on the train?

    4) For those who have flown with a firearm, does it have to be in a metal locked box? Does the ammo have to be separate?
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    1 - see handgunlaw.us for the laws of the states you are visiting.

    2 - Check out the TSA website and Southwest Airlines site on transportation of firearms. Here's the short version: hard-sided (plastic or metal, your choice) case, locked (ONLY YOU have the key), inside another piece of luggage (the one your clothes are in, not a separate bag for the gun.) Ammo: in original packaging or in a container designed to hold ammo (plastic box you find at gun shows or another empty ammo box) (best practice). Show early to clear TSA...declare gun at ticket counter (not curbside)....Orange ticket declaring the gun as unloaded goes inside your luggage (not locked case)...My practice: run a zip tie through the action, down the barrel---easy to see it is unloaded.

    3 - pick-up gun on other side

    4 - reverse process on way home.

    As far as should you carry on your trip? Yes....where legal.


    IRT ammo....check TSA/Southwest to see if you can lock them in the same container (I did this when I went to FL, but was different airline), otherwise, I have used a Center-of-Mass safe to transport ammo separate from the locked container my gun was in (Pelican case)
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    I have flown with a checked bag containing firearms. Here is what I experienced:
    I used a durable gun case with padlocks. Magazines were empty and separated. My ammo was in a plastic container used for reloading ammo. At the airport I checked in the bag with special check in, signed a card that was put in with the guns, gave it to TSA. I used Masterlock's to secure my container rather than the wimpy TSA approved locks. I then checked in for my flight and really, that was all there was to it.
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    I would always be so-o-o paranoid of the gun being stolen some where through the baggage handling system. Is the baggage marked special in any way? Do you get insurance for it?
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    Baggage does not have any special markings on tags...I've flown with guns (pistols and rifles) for the last 16-17 years....have yet to lose one flying.
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    I called the Metro Police Dept (the police in LV) and the woman stated that "LV police are pretty liberal when it comes to hand guns, have it in the glove box or center console and not on your person or in a purse and you will be ok." Then I called the state police and had a woman tell me that I "need to have the 'clip' () removed from the pistol, and have the hand gun and ammunition seperate to have it in my vehicle." So now I'm just confused again, does gun in the glove box, and ammo in the center console constitute enough "seperation"? It seemed like no one there at either police station could give me a straight up answer.....I hate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claybreaker0 View Post
    Then I called the state police and had a woman tell me that I "need to have the 'clip' () removed from the pistol, and have the hand gun and ammunition seperate to have it in my vehicle." So now I'm just confused again, does gun in the glove box, and ammo in the center console constitute enough "seperation"? It seemed like no one there at either police station could give me a straight up answer.....I hate that.
    There is no such rule or law in Nevada. The person you spoke to made that up.

    Ken

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    check out handgunlaw.us and read the law for yourself.

    Anyone you talk to (including here) will provide opinion...you need to read and understand the law yourself......
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    This is from the NRA web site. Does Nevada issue CCW to anyone out of state that meet their requirement?

    http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/NVSL.pdf
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    My general attitude is that I always have a gun with me when traveling regardless of the restrictions at the local level where I will be. I just don't travel unarmed!

    I'll always observe the local gun laws when in any jurisdiction! No need to get jammed up on a weapons violation, especially when away from home, however, in just about every state, guns will be allowed for defensive use in some way or the other.

    So, far I don't know of any state where you can not have a gun in your temporary domicile such as hotel rooms and motel rooms which is always going to be a place where I definitely want my firearm so for that reason alone, it's worth bringing a gun when traveling.

    I will do the requisite due diligence in researching the gun laws for each state I'll be traveling so I do know what is required where I'll be but I see no reason not to bring your gun with you when traveling.

    Even when I took a week long business trip in the Michigan UP right on the Canadian border and new I would make a few day trips into Canada as a tourist in my spare time, I made sure that my hotel room in Michigan had a room safe to secure my gun when going over the border.

    Take your gun, enjoy your vacation and know you won't be completely unprotected in most situations where not having a gun could ruin your day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007BondJames View Post
    This is from the NRA web site. Does Nevada issue CCW to anyone out of state that meet their requirement?

    http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/NVSL.pdf
    Yes. You must complete training in the jurisdiction where you will apply. You must apply in person. They will mail the permit to you, it can take up to 120 days (it generally takes 30 to 60 days depending on the workload in the county where you apply).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    check out handgunlaw.us and read the law for yourself.

    Anyone you talk to (including here) will provide opinion...you need to read and understand the law yourself......
    I agree. That is why I included all of those links, mostly to the Nevada Revised Statutes, in my original post. There was an opinion letter from the Nevada AG a few years back on open carry/car carry and what constitutes "concealed." It can be found if you want to do a little work but I don't have that link handy so you will have to find it for yourself.

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