August 8th, 2010 10:36 PM
That's the key for me...respect earns respect.
Originally Posted by Thumper
Let me add to the "I dislike the 'your papers please' check points"...I am always polite.
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August 8th, 2010 10:42 PM
Temped? Maybe. However, 1) the individual LEO didn't just decide to to set up the "Your papers, please!" check point; and 2) nothing to be gained.
Originally Posted by miklcolt45
So, your "I don't want to make an officer's job harder" and practical patience are the correct drivers of politely/maturely dealing with the situation.
+ 1 But IMHO (and I assume yours) it's not a hill worth dieing over [or the lesser equivalent, in this case].
Originally Posted by retsupt99
I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.
I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.
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August 8th, 2010 10:57 PM
I am aware that I need to disclose to law enforcement, I just was unsure about a roadblock situation. Another reason I was unsure is because he didn't ask for any ID.
I felt he was rude because of his overall demeanor. When he asked why I feel the need to carry, he asked in a very rude way. It caught me off guard. I am never rude with an LEO because that makes the situation worse.
August 9th, 2010 12:06 AM
First off, Thank You for your service. By default, I respect those who wear the uniform. I do not, however, give them a pass on transgressing the Constitution, just because 'they have a job to do'. I too, have a job to do, however, I abide as best I can by the laws, and by the Law. Disregarding my 4th Amendment rights, because it is an effective tool for catching drunks, is, and always will be, unlawful. It may be considered legal by the courts, but this doesn't mean it's Lawful.
Originally Posted by First Sgt
The German soldiers who were manning the ovens, they had a 'job to do' too.
August 9th, 2010 01:06 AM
If I recall correctly, and I am sure I am, the US Supreme Court had a ruling on the DUI check points no too long ago. They said the check points "probably" did violate the constitution, but they were going to allow them to continue because of the public good they did. Nice to see them admit they ignore the constitution and do as they please.
In the year before I came over I encountered 2 DUI check points because I worked till closing at a gun shop/range, and both times I rolled down the side window, turned on the dome lights and proceeded to stop point. One asked "Where are you going" and the other "Where are you coming from"; both got the same answer "No officer, I have not been drinking tonight". Where are you going grinned like he got me and said "That's not the question I asked" I said "I know what you asked but that is the only answer you'll get, and it is really what you wanted to know isn't it?" He gave me a dirty look and waved me on. Where are you coming from just smiled and said "have a nice night". Funny thing, neither one asked for my papers.
For those that say "Well it helps catch the bad guys"; so would going around the county kicking in doors and searching for meth. The question is, just how much freedom are we are willing to sacrifice to catch the bad guys? Evidently "papers please" on the road is OK with a lot of people.
August 9th, 2010 06:38 AM
Man some of you people are long winded. I've never had a cop (or anyone else for that matter) ask me why I carry but my answer will be "Because I want to."
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August 9th, 2010 07:35 AM
My statement was "A lot of..." What is incorrect about that? Would it be safe to say that "at least" 1,000 LEOs in the US think civilians shouldn't be allowed to CC? That to me is a lot.
Please do not make blanket statements about LEO's.
Actually, statistically your job is 14th on the most dangerous list, behind parks & rec workers, electricians, roofers, etc. The authority you have means we get to expect more of you. If my roofer has a bad day, my roof leaks. If you have a bad say somebody may die or have their constitutional rights violated.
We do have a job that is dangerous, and puts us around bad people on a regular basis, but this does not give us permission to be hateful.
August 9th, 2010 07:42 AM
There'd be some hell to pay if that happened to me. My attorney and I would be at City Hall the next morning demanding at least an apology from the officer who was "having a bad day," or for him to be asked to find a line of work more suitable to his lack of self-control.
Originally Posted by tkruf
August 9th, 2010 08:10 AM
At least in FL., We Do Not Have to notify ; ) Been through about 5 in the last 35 years. The last one I came through was during the afternoon Had DL/Ins & Reg. in hand the oficer said "Just licence" Never took em, Just looked at em ; )
Sometimes you'll run into a LEO that Just got on a 12hr shift & can be a little Cranky That's how it goes, Driving is a Privleage Not a Right.
As far as ?#1 is the norm ?#2 Well would never Or Has Never came up, Just
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August 9th, 2010 08:19 AM
Now for my 2 cents.
I have a friend who is a police officer in Florida and at times he can appear to have that that surly attitude. It is because he deals with people who have bad attitudes towards Law Enforcement much of the time and it gets old. I think I would do the same, or probably much worse, but that's just me.
I know, I deal with the public on a regular basis with my job at the County Assessor and people just don't like anybody who has ties to Government. I too have used a curt, short and professional sounding voice with a bit of smart aleck thrown in due to the stupidity of those who are talking to me and acting like I just shot their best friend. If they have a problem with LEO's and the like, then it's usually their problem not the officer.
This LEO was probably tired, had dealt with people who do not like road blocks or check points or just LEO's in general doing their job and it just so happend that when the OP came along, it was the last straw most likely. A series of coincidences and not aimed at putting down a law abiding concealed carry citizen. Maybe the person before the OP showed up was rude, crude and socially unacceptable. Who knows?
I for one don't get offended when someone LEO or not asks "Why do you carry a gun?" I just don't let it bother me and just let it go.
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August 9th, 2010 09:23 AM
I live in NC.
When I was stopped by LE I notified him I have CCW permit, and that I did have a gun while my hands remained on the steering wheel in plain sight.
His only question to me was "where is the gun?" (reasonable question I thought).
My answer to 'why do you carry a gun?', if it would have been asked, is the simple answer to the question__to defend myself and my family against a deadly threat___.
"It is easier to resist at the beginning than at the end"____Leonardo da Vinci 1452-1519
August 9th, 2010 09:27 AM
Roadblocks are a minor annoyance in the grand scheme of life. So is standing in line at a fast-food joint, Waiting for the computer to download, and a buch of other stuff. Deal with it. If gets the drunk who might kill me off the road, I can put up with an occasional license check. If they bother you that much, avoid driving around late at night when the bars are closing, the usual time they set them up.
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August 9th, 2010 09:41 AM
"Why do you feel the need to carry a gun?"
For pretty much the same reason you do.
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.
Im a big fan of the .22LR for bear defense.
Just shoot the guy next to you in the knee and run like heck.
August 9th, 2010 10:06 AM
Driving is not a privilege granted by cops. It is granted by law and if a person is obeying the laws, it effectively becomes a right.
That's how it goes, Driving is a Privleage Not a Right.
August 9th, 2010 10:09 AM
In my business 5% of my customers are goofy and deserving of no respect. If I use them as an excuse to treat the other 95% like dirt, I'll have to close my doors soon thereafter. Local government should be operated the same way. 1 motorist in 10 treating a cop with disrespect is no reason to treat the other 9 disrespectfully, and if a cop has no more self-control and professionalism than to let a few mouthy motorists affect his whole attitude, does he really have the emotional tools necessary to be an LEO whom we trust with life and death decisions?
Originally Posted by JoJoGunn
My philoshy on society:
1. It's way too easy to get a drivers license.
2. It's way to easy to become and remain a teacher.
3. It's way too easy to become a cop.
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