Stopped last night

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    Stopped last night

    I was on my way home from work last night. A little bit after 11PM. I took a different route then I usually go to make a stop at Sheetz to get some diesel. I live in a smaller-medium sized city. This Sheetz is on one of the main roads in town. Before I got to sheets, I see 6 or so police cars in the road with lights on. Two on each side of the four-lane road and two in the turn lane. I assumed there is some sort of collision. As I got closer, I realized it was a road block. They don't do roadblocks often here, usually only around major holidays. Maybe it has something to do with school starting soon. There was only one car ahead of me and when I got up to the officer, he was somewhat rude acting. He didn't ask for any ID or paperwork, just where I was going. I replied "Sheetz right up there." I went ahead and took out my CC permit and showed it to him and told him I was carrying. I'm not quite sure if I was required to show the permit to him. I definitely would have if he would have asked for license/registration.

    Anyways, his first response was "why do you feel the need to carry?" I responded "because you (meaning LEO) can't be everywhere." He responded "OK, have a nice night" in a rude manner. I've never had a problem with the county sheriff, but some city officers here can be rude.

    I've spoken to officers in the past who feel intimidated or scared around others carrying weapons.

    Has anyone had an experience with law enforcement similar to mine, where the officer became even more rude after he found out you have a CCL?

    My previous and only other experience, the officer replied with "good" or something similar when I told him I have a CCW.

    Edit: Also, did I do the right thing by showing him the permit? I almost felt like I complicated things a bit. Unfortunately, NC requires me to notify the officer in the event I get pulled over, but I'm not sure if a roadblock scenario applies here.

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    If your state requires you to inform, you probably did the right thing.

    I'm in CT where we are not required to notify. So I don't.

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    For NC, you were definately required to disclose.
    Officer should not have asked why you carry, but I bet he didn't find the humor in your response. May I suggest that a future answer not have the implication (fair or not) that you cannot rely on police (thereby questioning their competence). My preferred answer to a LEO's "why do you carry?" Is "I have a family I intend to go home to at the end of the day."

    Short simple (true) and does not have any tinge of accusation against LEO.... just my $.02....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tflhndn View Post
    For NC, you were definately required to disclose.
    Officer should not have asked why you carry....

    Why not? I thought it was a fair question.
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    Maybe I'm having a bad day, but I would be tempted to answer his question, "Where are you going?" with "None of your business."

    I don't want to make an officer's job harder, but this really grates on my nerves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    Maybe I'm having a bad day, but I would be tempted to answer his question, "Where are you going?" with "None of your business."

    I don't want to make an officer's job harder, but this really grates on my nerves.

    JMO.
    I wanted to say that, because it really isn't any of his business. It's probably a basic question to determine if someone has been drinking. Unfortunately saying that would have made the situation worse.

    I do agree that it really isn't any of his business why I carry. My response wasn't to bash law enforcement, but it is the truth. If I could have a personal officer with me at all times, I wouldn't need to carry.

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    The questions like "where are you going?" are not asked because the officer gives a hoot where you are going. Its a simple question to engage in conversation. He wants to engage in conversation because its a lot easier to tell if you are under the influence by talking to you rather than just looking at you or smiling with a friendly wave or handing out teddy bears.

    Most drunks I ask that question to will tell me they are going to another bar, going home because they are to drunk to be out or something similar. Most normal people say they are going home after work, to the store or whatever.
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    I greatly dislike "Your papers, please!" check points.
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    Every road block i've been through, the police always ask "where are you going" and "where are coming from", usually that happens after the first cop stands in front of my vehicle and shouts "Halt! Ihre Papiere bitte!"

    on a related matter, what exactly would happen if you see a checkpoint down the road and decide to turn around and take an easier way home? Assuming you're not up to any thing naughty other then trying to screw with the police?

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    Your NC CHP class should have taught you to turn on your interior lights, place your hands on the steering wheel, and verbally notify immediately upon being approached and wait until the officer requested your drivers license and or carry permit.

    That is how it's taught at the NC justice academy during CHP instructor training and is also in the student handbook you should have received in the class.

    As a side note, there's no excuse for officers being rude but don't let that determine your next reaction. Things can snowball real fast at night when things go sideways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    The questions like "where are you going?" are not asked because the officer gives a hoot where you are going. Its a simple question to engage in conversation. He wants to engage in conversation because its a lot easier to tell if you are under the influence by talking to you rather than just looking at you or smiling with a friendly wave or handing out teddy bears.
    If I ever encounter a LEO handing out teddy bears at a checkpoint I'm gonna think he is under the influence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    Maybe I'm having a bad day, but I would be tempted to answer his question, "Where are you going?" with "None of your business."

    I don't want to make an officer's job harder, but this really grates on my nerves.

    JMO.
    I had something similar checking in for a flight to Los Angeles.

    "Where are you going?"

    "Los Angeles."

    "Where in Los Angeles?"

    "The airport. Is the plane is going somewhere else?"

    I got a dirty look but no large guys without necks showed up.

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    I'd say it was a good idea to tell the officer. If you didn't and he asked you to get out, would it have caused a problem then? Might as well throw it out there. No reason for him to get moody with you though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I greatly dislike "Your papers, please!" check points.


    ^^^^^^^^^^^Sorry to all the LEO's out there^^^^^^^^^

    But I'm in ret's camp on this one; always have.

    It just seems to me the old adage, "innocent till proven guilty" has gone the way of the dinosaur.
    I understand this is how you catch people driving under the influence, have possible outstanding warrants, EtC,,,,,
    But, how long will it be until we begin to hear about getting a knock on the ole' front door with the same routine.

    The traverse down the slippery slope has begun I'm afraid, and its sad


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    Quote Originally Posted by n3ss View Post
    Every road block i've been through, the police always ask "where are you going" and "where are coming from", usually that happens after the first cop stands in front of my vehicle and shouts "Halt! Ihre Papiere bitte!"

    on a related matter, what exactly would happen if you see a checkpoint down the road and decide to turn around and take an easier way home? Assuming you're not up to any thing naughty other then trying to screw with the police?
    That's why we have chase cars......and that would just be more problems for you
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