Joined my Church's "Safety & Security" team this week...........very impressed.

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    Not related to armed security per se, but my church has an outstanding child care/Sunday school checkin program. You sign up for it at the front desk, they photograph you, your child, and everyone authorized to pick up your child, and take fingerprints of everyone who can pick up your child. When you drop a child off, you scan your fingerprint, scan a pager from a bucket, and log your child in. A label printer runs off a 3" x 2" form-feed label with your child's name, photograph, and mini photo and name of everyone authorized to pick him or her up. A duplicate of the same form prints off on a receipt. You stick the label on your kid's clothing, and hand the receipt to the volunteer in the child's room, and the volunteer checks that the names and photos match up. Same thing again to pick a kid up.

    GREAT system. Granted, it's a large church that due to its membership demographics also has a lot of money, but I'd say the money and thought they put into their nursery system was prudently and wisely spent.

    On the armed security note, I volunteer at a different church that hosts an interdenominational lay counseling center. All the churches in the area, most of the social welfare agencies, local law enforcement, and both major hospital organizations where I live refer people to the counseling center. The clinical director is a member on this forum and encourages his security volunteers to be armed. At this point, that security team is only for the Thursday nights when counseling sessions are run at the church, but I think people at both churches would be surprised at how many armed permit holders and off-duty police officers are in any given service there.
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    many mango seasons ago in the late 80's in miami, my church had a small security team. i pulled some duty with them when they needed the help. but in today world you need a better than small team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    Bingo, Dr. Bob! We spend a lot of time discussing the 'what-ifs' of active shooters in churches, while the most likely scenarios are tornadoes, non-custodial parent kidnaping, etc.

    Safety and Security includes far more than guys with guns in the balcony. How many of your churches do a background check on EVERY person who spends time with youth and children? Any idea how many lives are ruined each year because of that fact alone?

    Running background checks on figuring out fire exits are not sexy or 'manly.' But they are the most important thing you can do for the people who worship at your church or temple.
    It's a requirement for every individual that works and even voulenteers to have a background check done on them before being allowed to work with children
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    God bless you and the rest of the 'armed' sheep. May god always be hospitable to those who are just stupid! Good speed on your calling to keep the flock safe!

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    Is this security team insured? Does the churches insurance handler know about this security system? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me. Cool, yes, smart, no
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    Sounds good on the team, in ear radios.. do you also wear black sport coats and dark sunglasses? Seriously, how many members?
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    Kansas law says no guns in any place of worship..

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    I'm in a congregation of 50 on a good day. I'm the only one packing every Sunday so it's all on me if something bad happens. Hope it never does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaDawg View Post
    I'm in a congregation of 50 on a good day. I'm the only one packing every Sunday so it's all on me if something bad happens. Hope it never does.
    How do you know none of the other 49 are carrying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    How do you know none of the other 49 are carrying?
    Thanks...I was thinking the same thing. I carry at my church and no one knows....
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    This creates a situation where you become responsible for the entire congregation. Your taking on much added responsibility and a different frame of mind than personal self defense. Even though you will be carrying concealed everyone will know that YOU are the 'protector' and have a gun. People will now expect you to do your job to save them if ,by chance, anything should happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    How do you know none of the other 49 are carrying?
    It's a small church and I've known everyone for a few years now. Only a few of the men (and none of the women, except my wife) even shoot firearms for recreation or have them in their homes for home defense. Most of those that do have shotguns, and some have rifles for hunting. A few of the men have pistols, but none carry, at church or anywhere else. I'm the only one with a CCL, though my pastor said he wants to take a course and submit his application soon (he thought it was a good idea with the shootings in CO this past year).

    I suppose it's possible that someone might have a firearm on them at church, but if they did, I'd be very surprised, considering I know each person and have made mental notes about who even has firearms (I try to invite people shooting with me on occasion to build stronger bonds). Everyone who I've talked to about firearms has been very open about their opinions and what they own/shoot, since we all trust each other. So yeah, I'm very confident that I'm the only one carrying every Sunday.
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    No one knows I have a gun. Not even my family members know when I'm carrying much less the entire congregation. I keep it private... between me and the 'all mighty'.
    "Confidence is food for the wise man but liquor for the fool"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaDawg View Post
    It's a small church and I've known everyone for a few years now. Only a few of the men (and none of the women, except my wife) even shoot firearms for recreation or have them in their homes for home defense. Most of those that do have shotguns, and some have rifles for hunting. A few of the men have pistols, but none carry, at church or anywhere else. I'm the only one with a CCL, though my pastor said he wants to take a course and submit his application soon (he thought it was a good idea with the shootings in CO this past year).

    I suppose it's possible that someone might have a firearm on them at church, but if they did, I'd be very surprised, considering I know each person and have made mental notes about who even has firearms (I try to invite people shooting with me on occasion to build stronger bonds). Everyone who I've talked to about firearms has been very open about their opinions and what they own/shoot, since we all trust each other. So yeah, I'm very confident that I'm the only one carrying every Sunday.
    I'm sure nearly all members of my synagogue would be equally confident that no one there is armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig35seven View Post
    This creates a situation where you become responsible for the entire congregation. Your taking on much added responsibility and a different frame of mind than personal self defense. Even though you will be carrying concealed everyone will know that YOU are the 'protector' and have a gun. People will now expect you to do your job to save them if ,by chance, anything should happen.
    That's a great point and I've given this some thought and have come to the same conclusion. I do feel an extra weight of responsibility, but then again, I know I'm only human and can't prevent anything bad from happening. I can only hope and pray that if something terrible should happen, that I would be in a position to help stop the threat before things get ugly or worse. Needless to say, I'm definitely encouraging others to get their CCLs so that I'm not the only one having to feel that burden. But even if no one else decides to carry, I feel blessed to be able to provide a bit of extra comfort to those who know I'm carrying and am looking out for the security of others. I certainly do have a "protector" personality, and would glad lay down my life for others.

    "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." -John 15:13
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