CCW In National Parks

CCW In National Parks

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    CCW In National Parks

    Almost two years ago (August 2004, to be exact) we had a thread going about a petition to the Secretary of the Interior to allow CCW with a valid state permit in National Parks. http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...National+Parks.

    As we all know, this is a no-no under the current rules.

    Since then, a new Secretary of the Interior has been appointed (Dirk Kempthorne, the former governor of Idaho).

    Has anybody heard anything new about this? I searched the DOI web site http://www.doi.gov/ but couldn't find anything.


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    Might be a good question for Dirk Kempthorne, he is very gun friendly, being from Idaho, we have some of the best gun laws.
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    In AZ we can carry in all the national forests we want but the Grand Canyon (national park) is a no-no. What is the logic behind this I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackerfanXD
    In AZ we can carry in all the national forests we want but the Grand Canyon (national park) is a no-no. What is the logic behind this I wonder?
    The "logic" behind this apparent contradiction is the fact that the National Forests and the National Parks are run by two entirely different Federal agencies. The Forests allow firearms; the Parks do not.

    The petition's purpose was to ask the Secretary of the Interior, who oversees the National Parks, to change the policy. The petition had nothing to do with the National Forests.

    Since it's been almost two years and the National Parks are still gun-free zones, I'm guessing that the petition is pretty much a dead issue. I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything new.


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    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

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    Many of the folks who are now the higher ups in the NPS are left over hippies from the 60s. They hate guns and would disarm the LE Ranger who protects you and your family in NPS Areas, if they thought they could get away with it. The mindset of many of the Nature Fakers and Fern Fondlers in the NPS is definately anti gun.

    The way you get the attention of the NPS Elites is take away their government money until they do what you want.

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    Coincidentally, a couple of weeks ago I had a woman in my car (a "slug"--for those familiar with NoVA/DC communting) who worked for one of the senior civilians at the NPS. Definite tree-hugger. We began discussing my summer plans and how I want to take my kids camping/hiking, etc in the National Parks.
    She cautioned me to be careful where I go because there is a lot of crime in the parks that goes unreported in the press...but how (her rant /on) it's all of Bush's fault, they have to cut their budget...blah blah blah...cut personnel...cut resources...all to pay for an illegal war... (her rant /off) Mind you, I picked her up in front of the Pentagon and I was in uniform.
    Anyway, I asked her about what kind of crime occurs (getting her on the hook). She talked about rapes, robberys, perverts (men exposing themselves), homeless/vagrants. So I played the whole, "Whoa, that's scary...I'm glad the rangers are armed!"...she said, yes, but they are not around all of the time (I got a live one!!)
    Now I pulled hard on the line--"So why must I be disarmed when I go into a national forest? I have been licensed by the state of Virginia to carry a concealed firearm, and over the course of the last 12 years taken weeks of training, plus multiple deployments to Iraq responsible for the security of me and my men. Why should only the bad guys have weapons? Why can't I defend my family?"

    Her: <silence>, then "More guns won't keep the park safe"

    Me: You are right, but at the moment the bad guy or his friends are there, i don't care about the park, I care about my family

    Her: (watch the deflection) Well, the parks are there to preserve cultural icons and natural resources...not for recreation (yes...she actually said this...I can't make this up)

    Me: So who is supposed to go to these national parks that you need funding for?

    Her: <silence> having guns in the national parks is illegal. People should go there to enjoy the scenery, not worry about getting shot.

    Me: you are right again....that needs to be changed. However, you just said the parks are for preserving culture and natural resources, not recreation. Not to mention, I think it is negligent on the park service for not warning people of the threats you just mentioned. There is no e-mail, no cell phone...and by your statement, no park ranger right next to me. The only person that can defend me and my family is ME.

    Her: <silence>

    Then I turned on Bill O'Rielly and let her sit there and stew.

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    You did well SIGguy. Her silence showed that she probably never thought of what you spoke.

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    I worked as a NPS LE Ranger and Criminal Investigator for about 17 years. Only a fool would go into a NPS Area unarmed. I worked National Recreation Areas and the ammount of crime was tenfold of the natural areas and most of it was alcohol/drug induced. I seen career criminals who operate in Federal Areas because most LE is nil to non existant. Many rangers who are LE have never made a physical arrest and believe that a citizen committing an unnatural act with a buffalo is worse that a citizens getting raped and murdered in a park. There are good LE in some parks, especially in the south and west, it just depends on whether the Chief Ranger has his stuff in one bag or not.

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    i agree with the need to protect oneself in the parks. Here in TN not too long ago a woman got attacked by a bear! her child was killed and she was hospitalized. anyone wanna take a guess why she was alive? yep someone was carrying a gun when he shouldnt have been and fired a shot that scared the bear away. guess they need to think a lot about some of the dumb laws that they make. to be honest the bears are the least of my worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229

    Her: <silence>

    Then I turned on Bill O'Rielly and let her sit there and stew.

    Mike in VA
    Good one, SIGguy229!
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    Efforts to Obtain CCW in National Parks

    The Virginia Citizen's Defense League (www.VCDL.ORG) submitted a Petition for Rule Making to the NPS some time back. The NPS hasn't been responsive to the petition and recently VCDL requested members to contact our Senator George Allen to see if he could check into the matter for us.

    VCDL has a few paragraphs about the petitiion on their website, along with a list of other organizations that supported and signed the petition.

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    Has anybody heard anything new about this?
    Finally, somebody answered my question. Thank you, Woodstock!

    Thanks for the link.


    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

    Rudyard Kipling


    Terry

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    Check out Big Hammer

    For a timeline of the activity related to the National Park Service petition, check out: http://www.bighammer.net/timeline.html

    This gives a chronological listing of the activity on the petition thru May 19, 2006.

    Looks like it is still moving (not real fast but moving).

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    Let's hope it gets done before the 2008 elections...

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