Officer Contact - "To Advise Up Front of CCW or Wait Until Asked?"

Officer Contact - "To Advise Up Front of CCW or Wait Until Asked?"

This is a discussion on Officer Contact - "To Advise Up Front of CCW or Wait Until Asked?" within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Over the Labor Day weekend holiday, I was introduced to a guy who is a police officer here in Kansas for many years. We spoke ...

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    Officer Contact - "To Advise Up Front of CCW or Wait Until Asked?"

    Over the Labor Day weekend holiday, I was introduced to a guy who is a police officer here in Kansas for many years. We spoke of my CCW, training and all. He asked to see my permit (not official reason just curious) as he says many claim to have one but then can't show it during their "bull-****ting sessions"... and it proves to him that I am "a law abiding citizen" and can talk guns, laws and other such "manly stuff"... as we were enjoying a beer and a brat together at my friends lake house (I had my my Springfield XDM and he has his Glock)... he was a cool guy actually and we were both at ease with our beers and brats.

    When it comes to traffic stops, I asked him for his personal and professional opinion about a driver showing their CCW permit along with their license upon being stopped, even though Kansas state law states one does NOT need to show it unless asked.

    Now listen carefully guys... here was his answer (as it relates to Kansas state law):

    There is no downside to showing the courtesy and respect to the officer who stopped you by showing them your CCW permit (or anytime contact with an officer is made - when a license or ID is asked for). They will see that you have one when they run your license, but then they will go on "high alert" and feel like you did not fully advise them of your firearm when they first stopped you... even though you did not have too.. they will still feel like you withheld this fact from them!!

    An officer has two options... give a warning or write a ticket... and you want them to be relaxed and think of you in the best possible light they can (depending on why they stopped you of course). Being right up front will show them you have nothing to hide, your honest and immediately tells them you not wanted, do not have warrents out for your arrest and are generally a "good guy"... all before he runs your license through the computer!!!!

    Again... there is NO downside to given the officer your license and CCW permit up front (regardless of what state or city you may be in), but there is a potential negative downside if he/she finds out that there may be a gun on you or in your car when they run your license... and cops don't like surprises!!!

    If your not carrying your firearm when pulled over, then state this fact right up front when pulled over.... "Officer, here is my license. When you run it in your system, you will see that I am a CCW permit holder, but I am NOT carrying my firearm on me or in my car today." Again, you have diffused any negative belief or situation that may or may not have been present.

    The guy I met basically stated....

    Tell me up front = "Verbal warning" only for basic traffic offense
    (You had a choice and so did I and I will give you the benefit of the doubt for being honest and reducing any surprises)

    Don't tell me up front = "You Got A Ticket"
    (You had a choice as I did in writing you a ticket or not... so I gave you the ticket)

    Here endith the lesson..... and I believe this is very good advise... one I will follow 100%.
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    I have no problem with his advice...and thanks for sharing it with us...

    One way to avoid this issue it....wait for it....avoid doing something to get stopped...

    I've carried most of a decade...and have never been stopped (carrying or not carrying for that matter)...

    In fact, I'll be the first to admit that when I am carrying, I'm more careful...drive a little bit slower...and, as most people, have a much higher SA level...
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    It's good advice, even though for some of us it doesn't matter. Here in Oklahoma we're required to notify, but I think I would anyway if we weren't.
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    I can't argue with that info. No need to notify here in FL, and it may (or may not) get you out of a ticket. I can't say; haven't been stopped. It does NOT come up on a traffic check.

    My feeling is that any officer who would make an issue of your voluntarily notifying would make an issue of something else if you didn't.
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    That's what I would do as well. In SC you are required to inform and present you CWP when asked for ID but only if you're actually carrying.
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    If you have your gun here, you need to notify. I have had to show 3 times and all 3 were good.

    One was a fender bender, the officer said "Thank you and good for you". We ended up talking guns and he said, and I was shocked, " he only shoots when he has to re-qualify"!!!

    The others were traffic stops, 1 mine and 1my business partner's and they asked for my ID. Both were warnings and the one, he asked what I carried and we talked guns. Pretty cool.

    I will show it no matter what. I think it is less hassle in the long run.
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    In Iowa, it's a courtesy.. there is no requirement. There is no attachment of the CCW to your DL... Most likely, they will run your plates before getting out of the cruiser here... in all the times I've been stopped. I haven't been stopped since my CCW was issued... but I would hand over both my DL and PWC as a courtesy. If it gets me out of a ticket, great... If not, I probably did the crime, I'll pay the fine, my bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I can't argue with that info. No need to notify here in FL, and it may (or may not) get you out of a ticket. I can't say; haven't been stopped. It does NOT come up on a traffic check.

    My feeling is that any officer who would make an issue of your voluntarily notifying would make an issue of something else if you didn't.
    Oldvet is correct does'nt show, Now I'm got a family member that's been on the SO for 26yrs & Never disarmed anyone for a rutine traffic stop, Unless they are a felon or no CCWP & have it on them or next to them, That said He told me Attitude will get you a ticket or two in a heartbeat ; )
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    Just to clarify...

    In Kansas, our CCW permit is tied to our driver's license and NOT our license plates.. so if stopped for any reason, the officer does not know anything of your CCW permit (whether you have one or not) until either you tell him voluntarily or he runs your DL through his computer.

    Now, if I was traveling through another state... and rules are different, I would just error on the consevative side and give it to the officer and just be up front (only if I was carrying)... since my Kansas permit will not be in an out of state database.

    Personally, I drive the speed limit and I try to obey all laws... especially when carrying... but things happen and you never know, if and when, one may have a LEO encounter... and better that it goes as smoothly as it possibly can.
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    Never had to but I would inform up front no matter what the law states.
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    In Texas we are required to present our CHL along with our DL when carrying.

    If I am traveling outside of the state and in a place where I am not required, I still plan on handing both the DL and CHL.
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    I would notify whether required or not for two reasons.
    One, courtesy and respect. Having done the job, I know the value placed on these qualities by most cops.
    Two, I don't wish to have some young meat eater's hand cannon stuck in my ear should he detect my weapon by some other means.

    ETA: I also keep my reg & ins clipped to the back side of my sun visor so I don't have to go rooting in the glove box.

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    In Missouri, we are not required to notify, but our CCW is tied to our driver's license, so I would notify up front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveJay View Post

    One way to avoid this issue it....wait for it....avoid doing something to get stopped...

    I've carried most of a decade...and have never been stopped (carrying or not carrying for that matter)...

    In fact, I'll be the first to admit that when I am carrying, I'm more careful...drive a little bit slower...and, as most people, have a much higher SA level...
    Good advice for most of the time, but you don't have to be breaking the law to be stopped.
    If you're hit by another driver, or go through a "DUI" checkpoint (don't get me started) you can still end up in a position where you have the obligation to notify - depending on the law where you are of course.

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    I have 2 family members who are LEO's and they say the same thing. JUST KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL till he asks for it.

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