This is a discussion on What is it with all the LEO threads? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by farronwolf . . . if everyone did what they were supposed to and didn't speed, or run stop signs, or had the ...
- HOORAY!!! I JUST APPLIED FOR MY CCW!!! OK, glad to hear it... (yawn).
- HOORAY!!! I JUST ORDERED MY CROSSBREED SUPERTUCK!!! Is this the ONLY holster you've ever tried? (Bigger yawn.)
- HOORAY!!! I JUST DID A WALLY-WORLD WALK AND SURVIVED!!! This post is fine when done with humor and obvious tongue in cheek, but when people post this seriously??? Oh my soul.
- HOORAY!!! MY CCW JUST ARRIVED TODAY AFTER 67 DAYS, 23 HOURS, 17 MINUTES AND 48 SECONDS!!! Cool beans. Walk proudly and cautiously among the sheep, and if you do go armed to Wal-Mart, keep it to yourself.
Plus more... feel free to list your own categories of posts which really add little or nothing to the sum of useful knowledge on this site.
This month's "special" seems to be LEO encounters, and I'm happy that the majority of these turn out well for the CCW holder. But after a while, they do become pretty routine and only the ones that turn out badly are in the category of man-bites-dog news. No insult intended, but before posting (in other than the off-topic or Bob & Terry forums) people should really assess if their new thread really adds some worthwhile knowledge or opinions to this site, or if it just takes up server space. Just call me jaded.
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Not a single citizen complaint against me ever sustained.
What most people don't realize is how hard it is to get an officer fired.
First, you have to show why they should believe you, a total stranger, over someone that the department has selected through an extensive and expensive and validated selection process. Why is it that this person that got through this selection process just wants to make your life miserable? What would be their motive for lying about you? How does that compare with your possible motives to lie about them?
Second, you have to prove that the officer actually violated your rights, or broke some other law, or at least some department regulation.
Third, you have to convince them that this person they know so well and have tested so thoroughly is going to be such an ongoing liability to the them that they are better off throwing away the hundred thousand dollars they have invested in them than to risk continuing their employment.
"Courtesy violations" if they resulted in anything it was never more than a counseling statement. And sometimes those counseling statements were that the officer was not assertive/aggressive enough. Either way those sat in the officers supervisor's file until one year from the incident and then hit the shredder.
So most of these things, I just smile and nod.....
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This is one of my favorite threads. Ever. I'm glad someone said it
I suspect for a lot of people it's because they do have so few interactions with the police that even one stands out as exceptional.
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I guess I just don't get stopped often enough or something but the few times I have over the many years of going armed I have NEVER been ask if I am in possession of a firearm; never. The only question I ever got was "have you consumed any alcohol today and if so how much?". The very few I came into contact with that seemed out of sorts were easily quelled by simple yes/no answers and eye to eye contact and/or NOT answering questions they had no business asking. You will find out quickly if they are on a "fishing expedition" with that tactic. If its not an up and up question a non reply and steady eye contact (not defiant) will change the subject quickly.
Well as the "farronwolf" has stated just follow the rules and you won't be in the situation to start with.
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Simple solution..... do not look at them. What is important to you might not be to some one else, or the other way around. I think that there is a lot of dumb posts on here, I just don't look at them, some just post threads or comments to increase post count. Some on here will post on every thread, one guy on here posts in every 1911 thread about how much he thinks his EDC is better than a 1911, yet he has never shot or owned a 1911 and has only been carrying 3-4 months. This guy has only been a member for a couple months and already has close to 2000 posts, he comments on everything, even if he has no real knowledge about it, whatever. My point is this is a forum and he as a member has the right to do so and post what he likes. To some the LEO encounter posts are important, not everyone is ex-CIA-MARINE-FBI-NAVYSEAL-POLICESNIPER-ZOMBIEKILLER trained all rolled into one, they are new to CC and firearms. I agree with some of what you say, but you and I both just used up server space expressing our opinions, that some............ think was stupid. Just my 2 cents.
I find the threads interesting myself. I find the different thoughts on ALL the subjects interesting. Living in my little world in Miss. it amazing to me how different our thinking patterns are from region to region....which is not a bad thing. It's almost like people watching without the people.
Because in this economy, there are more citations issued. Citations up in bad economy
Hence, more people (on this or any other forum) are going to have more encounters with police.
There is an additional "consideration" that comes into play for those of us on THIS forum rather than on, say, a quilting forum.
If there is something noteworthy about the LEO encounter, ie: first time, bad interaction, exremely professional encounter, etc., it may deserve consideration here.
We gain important information, certain counties LEOs are anti-permit (in some states), that comes to light in these discussions.
If you're not interested, I can understand that... you can skip the post or even mark it read...
All that said....
It could be worse.
"The History of our Revolution will be one continued Lye from one end to the other."
Or, am I to take it that you enjoy reading all the LEO threads?
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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You have a right to your opinion. But black and white thinking does no one any good. There is a lot of middle ground here.the threads show either outright disdain or an almost god like fear of the officer.
My doctor can't shove my nose into concrete and handcuff me. My boss can't put me in jail to be raped and beaten by inmates (or guards). A run-in with my dentist won't get me a $10k - $100k lawsuit.They are people at work just like you and I.I show respect to my doctor but I don't equate divinity to him. If I disagree with my boss at work I will let him know my feelings but I don't "thumb" my nose at him and tell him off. There is a thread somewhere about not talking to the police anymore than necessary (I will try to locate it)
There are reasons why many people have problems with authority figures. These threads help figure out the right path to walk. If you are already sure of that path, ignore the thread.
Naive.Well as the "farronwolf" has stated just follow the rules and you won't be in the situation to start with.
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I think a lot of it has to do with the new CCW holder and the apprehension
of that first "pullover by the police" with you having a gun. I know I think about it a lot. I do my best to obey all traffic rules, but sometimes it just happens.
I have yet to have my first LEO encounter while armed, and while not afraid of what will happen, there is some apprehension involved....ie, cops are human, what if this guy is having a bad day? I think that's a normal reaction for someone who is carrying a gun. Personally, I find the threads interesting, as they emcompass various parts of this country and as such, can reflect different reactions from the police in that particular area. If I don't find it interesting, I just move on. JMO
"Life's hard, it's even harder when you're stupid."John Wayne
Then, there are certainly folks in all walks of life who obtain whatever work who decide they'll take their job "responsibilities" to a higher level, to the point of being particularly hard-nosed, particularly diligent (ie, following behind a driver so long until something is found), commission of roughing up the individual occurs because the power exists, or whatever. Reality is, simply because there are a few threads being discussed at any given time about this or that situation doesn't mean it's prevalent across the country, or that it's not getting better. It's much like posting stories about the bad performance of a given firearm, in which even dozens of such threads doesn't necessarily imply the whole brand/model is trash.
In the end, it is what it is: a discussion thread of some interest to some people. As with anything else, don't like it? Then, don't read them and don't post in them. Or, consider using the little "report" icon whenever a particularly egregious thread comes along that's outside the rules. Probably better for the BP doing it that way, anyway.