Back from Colorado vacation (kinda long)

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    Back from Colorado vacation (kinda long)

    I actually got back Sunday but I am just now getting around to posting about it. I actually had a discussion with my uncle before I flew up there and he said handguns were not allowed in his house. So out of respect for my uncle and his house rules I did not take my G19 to Colorado. Now we got into more detail on the matter when we were driving back to his house from the Denver International Airport. He said handguns are murder weapons and people who open carry only do so to intimidate others. He said he is a supporter of the 2nd amendment and owns a shotgun for HD but owning a handgun and carrying it he says is like you are a gun fighter looking for a fight. He didn't see any of my points about how crime happens everywhere and how I would rather be prepared and have it and not need it, then actually need it and not have it. He also said you should only carry a concealed handgun if you think you will need it. After that statement I tried explaining to him that crime doesn't know any boundaries and just because I am going to a "good" part of town doesn't mean I am going to leave my gun at home. I explained that I carry EVERYWHERE that I legally can and it is a tool in self defense, not a "murder weapon." I know I didn't change his stance on the subject but I gave him very good information on the matter and I made him more educated to the other sides perspective on carrying a concealed weapon. Sorry for the length, I didn't think it would be this long!

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    People believe what they want to believe. I'm sure I do the same thing. His prerogative.

    I do think it is silly that he keeps a shotgun in the house for HD, but wouldn't allow you to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coder View Post
    People believe what they want to believe. I'm sure I do the same thing. His prerogative.

    I do think it is silly that he keeps a shotgun in the house for HD, but wouldn't allow you to do the same.
    Yeah I wondered that too, he also said he hates when people try to intimidate, then went on to say that all he has to do his rack his shotgun and the intruder will run.. I said oh so to intimidate him?

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    You might print, and send a copy of this to him.... if you haven't seen it already.

    Letter From an Angry Reader

    Winning hearts and minds of those who are bigoted in this matter is a long, hard, slog... It may take an incident to change his mind... Pray it doesn't come to that.

    Good luck1
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    You might print, and send a copy of this to him.... if you haven't seen it already.

    Letter From an Angry Reader

    Winning hearts and minds of those who are bigoted in this matter is a long, hard, slog... It may take an incident to change his mind... Pray it doesn't come to that.

    Good luck1
    oakchas, thank you! That article is a CLASSIC from Esquire back in the 80's, I think. My store-bought magazine was lost in a basement flood so I'm quite happy to see it preserved electronically.
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    I'm glad you had a safe trip while being unarmed. I think you did a a good job at trying to explain the fundamentals of CC, but it's to bad he has a very narrow opinion regarding the whole defense system thing. I'm glad he's got the home defense covered, but to ignore the same possibility while out on the town, where the odds are actually higher seems kind of odd to me; no disrespect intended. It kinda makes me wonder; does he have a problem with the firearm itself or the individual in control of it. Apologies for how that sounds, but when it comes to firearms you really never know the level of acceptance, especially with family members. In my immediate family, my father in-law would be one to say, "You don't need a firearm at my house, I'll make sure nothing happens around here", I'm middle 40's he's close to 80 Yeah, okay. My answer to the problem. A pocket pistol, or two and avoid anything close to firearms.....

    Good luck to you. Family time is awesome, but when it comes to the defense of my loved ones, (father in-law included) in this very unpredictable world we live in. I'll be the judge of what's prudent when I'm involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    I'm glad you had a safe trip while being unarmed. I think you did a a good job at trying to explain the fundamentals of CC, but it's to bad he has a very narrow opinion regarding the whole defense system thing. I'm glad he's got the home defense covered, but to ignore the same possibility while out on the town, where the odds are actually higher seems kind of odd to me; no disrespect intended. It kinda makes me wonder; does he have a problem with the firearm itself or the individual in control of it. Apologies for how that sounds, but when it comes to firearms you really never know the level of acceptance, especially with family members. In my immediate family, my father in-law would be one to say, "You don't need a firearm at my house, I'll make sure nothing happens around here", I'm middle 40's he's close to 80 Yeah, okay. My answer to the problem. A pocket pistol, or two and avoid anything close to firearms.....

    Good luck to you. Family time is awesome, but when it comes to the defense of my loved ones, (father in-law included) in this very unpredictable world we live in. I'll be the judge of what's prudent when I'm involved.

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    Thanks, I did have fun while in CO(mostly enjoying the cooler weather, it is still over 100 degrees here in AZ). But I was nervous going out without my glock, but I just kept my SA up and it worked out just fine.

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    Maybe you should start small and see that he actually knows the definition of murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    oakchas, thank you! That article is a CLASSIC from Esquire back in the 80's, I think. My store-bought magazine was lost in a basement flood so I'm quite happy to see it preserved electronically.
    Mine was lost in a house fire... I was also overjoyed when I found it... I have saved an electronic copy, and a hrd copy... It IS a classic!
    Rats!
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    First off I would pass on visiting that Uncle for that reason. Let him chew on that for a while.

    If you only carry your CCW sidearm when you need it, then you are choosing to go to dangerous places and purposely arming yourself. That gets a lot closer to premeditated murder than having it all the time and staying away from dangerous places. If you know you are needing a gun somewhere, better to bring a rifle anyway.
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