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This is a discussion on Carry near school zones within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by swinokur Just make sure the car is also on private property. If not, the firearm needs to be unloaded and in a ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    Just make sure the car is also on private property. If not, the firearm needs to be unloaded and in a locked case to comply with GFSZA unless you have a state issued CCW
    We were talking about the OP's property, yes? That is what I was discussing.
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    I just wanted to clarify because the statement referred to loading guns in your car. It's didn't specify a location and I didn't want anyone to be confused. Loading guns in your car NOT on private property could be troublesome. That's all I was pointing out.

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    We have a gun store in RI that's within 1000ft of a school zone and there have been many disgruntled customers when they find out they have to buy a case with a lock (or bring their own) to take their gun with them, unless they have a CCW. Too bad for them since it's the law and they should read the sign when they enter the store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    IMO.....criminals don't get into the mix here. It's the law abiding citizen we're concerned about.
    Of course it is the law abiding citizens we are concerned with here, us. As written, that law is an abomination which makes compliance almost impossible. It makes almost all of us vulnerable. We could all rather arbitrarily be labelled criminal from that one Federal law.

    The CHL doesn't help if you are attempting to load a shotty from your home to your truck parked on a public street within 1000 feet of a school. While it is perfectly legal to walk down the street with a rifle, it is unlawful if that happens within a school zone. (I'm not a rifle person but have owned them and have walked the streets with one, even in NYC in the distant past).

    If you car carry without a license, you are totally open to getting caught up by that law. You may be vulnerable if you are traveling within a school zone on a non-resident permit outside your home state. That issue isn't quite as clear to me, but I understand why some asserted that in another thread. It is very clear the law refers to firearms in general and not just handguns.

    As for the local police enforcing Federal law, again, some of the broad statements that it doesn't happen because.... are mere misinterpretation of the daily processes. The misinterpretations stem from a somewhat special situation in the AZ immigration law case that does not apply in a general fashion to all Federal law. Anyone actually can pick up a phone and report a wrongdoer to the Feds. You don't lose that right because you are local LE. (Of course the Feds might just ignore you as I was ignored when I tried to report an immigration-employment-visa violation incident.)

    As I wrote above, the Federal 1000 foot law is an insane abomination of a law which was well intended but poorly written and even more it is poorly and unevenly implemented. I'm not sufficiently familiar with it to know if the argument of "selective enforcement" would hold any water.

    IMO, it has to go. That is as much of a priority as expansion of license recognition to all states for travel and visits.
    Until both issues are further clarified, none of us are really safe when we go about our daily routine--- other than CHL carry within our home state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandalitten View Post
    We have a gun store in RI that's within 1000ft of a school zone and there have been many disgruntled customers when they find out they have to buy a case with a lock (or bring their own) to take their gun with them, unless they have a CCW. Too bad for them since it's the law and they should read the sign when they enter the store.
    Or maybe they/you should work to change the law, as it has NEVER stopped a school shooting.....ever....
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    It is nearly impossible to travel more than 10 miles in my area (rural TN) without passing a school and all schools are located next to a public access for student transportation. Such accesses are always with 1000 feet of a public road. That means strict adherence to this law effectively shuts down public travel with a loaded firearm. As this is a Federal law it sounds like a real BOR 2dA issue to me. As schools are a state function, any federal laws effecting the schools, unless involving blatant violation of Civil Rights, are already suspect.

    In Tennessee I am covered by the state license paragraph of the USC, but it should still be a state issue not a federal issue, regardless of how "friendly" the wording of the law.
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    You could purchase a locking gun case like a pelican. The law says locked and unloaded in a case OR locked in a rack in a motor vehicle. I see no problem on a street with a locked rifle case.

    I agree the law is poorly written and many legal folks feel even the revised law is unconstitutional

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