Info from Secret Service on School Shootings

Info from Secret Service on School Shootings

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    Info from Secret Service on School Shootings

    I had not seen the before -- albeit it is a few years old (2002). I did a search, but it is old enough to be easily missed.

    This is proving to be an interesting read. Direct from secretservice.gov. http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_final_report.pdf

    Key Finding 10

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    Despite prompt law enforcement responses, most attacks were stopped by means other than law enforcement intervention and most were brief in duration.

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    might be helpful in your local fight to allow CC on K-12 property by other than LEOs.
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    Actually, most are stopped by suicide when confronted.
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    Most of their key findings were that there were no credible predictors for the reasons, frequency, objectives or motivation for these statistically rare acts of random violence. But, the results are the paranoid knee jerk reactions from school boards and school administrators, whereby they indefinitely suspend a first grader for drawing a picture of a gun or likewise a third grader who brought a water pistol for show and tell.

    BTW, It was an interesting read about the Secret Service being responsible for the safety and protection of the President, VP and Congress, but law enforcement in general is not responsible nor has any liability to protect its citizens. And, then we are prohibited from protecting ourselves. It's like our officials have never read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, documents they are sworn to preserve and protect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Actually, most are stopped by suicide when confronted.
    Exactly what I was thinking.
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    Part of the dilemma lies in the brilliant (reasonably) new management tool called "Zero Tolerance". Regardless of the topic, it eliminates decisions by any lower than top level management/excutives. This is a boon to the excutive level, in that decisions that may fall within policy but not within the specific desires of the top level are eliminated. There is no mid level or supervisory level authority, only the top has a say in decisions. In addition to narrowing control it allows CYA policies with no interference or influence from lower levels.

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    As a school superintendent I think I should be allowed to carry in my school. It is obvious that if something happens in the school we will be at the mercy of the aggressor. We may have locked doors at all times but I can find a dozen ways to get passed that. It is no deterrent and will not stop mass casualties. I think every day about what would I do....and I don't have an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbmeister View Post
    As a school superintendent I think I should be allowed to carry in my school. It is obvious that if something happens in the school we will be at the mercy of the aggressor. We may have locked doors at all times but I can find a dozen ways to get passed that. It is no deterrent and will not stop mass casualties. I think every day about what would I do....and I don't have an answer.
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    Agreeded on that point PileDriver73.
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    Mmmm, let's see, UT allows CCW in their schools...
    They must have left that state off the list for some reason.

    INCIDENTS OF TARGETED SCHOOL VIOLENCE, BY STATE
    Alabama
    Alaska
    Arkansas
    California
    Colorado
    Florida
    Georgia
    Idaho
    Iowa
    Kansas
    Kentucky
    Massachusetts
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    Montana
    New Mexico
    New York
    North Carolina
    Oklahoma
    Oregon
    Pennsylvania
    South Carolina
    Tennessee
    Texas
    Virginia
    Washington
    Wisconsin
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Actually, most are stopped by suicide when confronted.
    Do you think it would matter who they were confronted by? IE LEO vs armed citizen. Just curious what you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Mmmm, let's see, UT allows CCW in their schools...
    They must have left that state off the list for some reason.

    INCIDENTS OF TARGETED SCHOOL VIOLENCE, BY STATE
    Alabama
    Alaska
    Arkansas
    California
    Colorado
    Florida
    Georgia
    Idaho
    Iowa
    Kansas
    Kentucky
    Massachusetts
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    Montana
    New Mexico
    New York
    North Carolina
    Oklahoma
    Oregon
    Pennsylvania
    South Carolina
    Tennessee
    Texas
    Virginia
    Washington
    Wisconsin
    I don't see NH on that list. I like to think that I'm one of the reasons why. When I walk into my son's school(s), my face tells everyone "Don't even think about it.".... :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefjason View Post
    Do you think it would matter who they were confronted by? IE LEO vs armed citizen. Just curious what you think.
    The evidence seems to suggest it doesn't matter. What matters is when they believe the game is up - they'll end it there and commit suicide. In many of these cases, I think LE barely makes visual contact before the aggressor kills himself. If there's an armed citizen with a weapon and he/she is in a position and has the intent to use it (as determined by the aggressor), I suspect suicide would be the next step. These guys don't come to fight, they come to slaughter like a coward.

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    As a school superintendent I think I should be allowed to carry in my school. It is obvious that if something happens in the school we will be at the mercy of the aggressor. We may have locked doors at all times but I can find a dozen ways to get passed that. It is no deterrent and will not stop mass casualties. I think every day about what would I do....and I don't have an answer.
    And I can't find one way to get past that.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbmeister View Post
    As a school superintendent I think I should be allowed to carry in my school. It is obvious that if something happens in the school we will be at the mercy of the aggressor. We may have locked doors at all times but I can find a dozen ways to get passed that. It is no deterrent and will not stop mass casualties. I think every day about what would I do....and I don't have an answer.
    Just being the devil's advocate here.

    Why should you be the only one allowed to carry?

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    One-eighth of the attackers exhibited an interest in violent video games (12
    percent, n=5).
    Well there gos the GTA/FPS theory.

    The largest group of attackers exhibited an interest in violence in their own
    writings, such as poems, essays or journal entries (37 percent, n=15).
    This stat means more then a quarter of attacks were preventable if teachers or parents batted an eye or cared.

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