This is a discussion on The Myth that .380acp is ineffective for personal defense. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by 1 old 0311 I no longer shoot the .380, cost, but it served as the sidearm for almost all the European Police ...
I prefer a load that will reliably penetrate clothing and the chest cavity to expand through the entire cavity. My personal opinion is that a 147g 9mm is the lightest load I would expect to reliably do this; I carry either that in my PF-9 or .40 M&P. My wife wanted to leave her 9mm at home because it was too heavy, but she carries the LCP. Better to have a mousegun than just to be holding your mouse.
An enemy of liberty is no friend of mine. I do not owe respect to anyone who would enslave me by government force, nor is it wise for such a person to expect it. -- Isaiah Amberay
I suppose I should be worried about that .32 in my pocket if the .380 is that bad.
"In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." -
-- Marcus Tullius Cicero
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
I don't care what caliber a gun is if it's being pointed at me. I DO NOT want to get shot - whether it's a .380 or a 45 ACP.
It's better to carry a .380 than nothing at all. Besides, it's a personal decision what someone chooses to carry.
There is no right or wrong.
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. — Winston Churchill
Well there you have it! Some people like the .380 and some don't! Go figure!
My biggest concern over the .380 isn't as much the round as it is 1st, having a pistol chambered in .380 that functions reliably with modern, high quality ammo and 2nd, can I shoot it accurately.
Like Patti said, a .380 beats the heck out of not having a weapon at all. For some, that's what it boils down to!
ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!
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I have never held a criminal at gunpoint that was concerned about or contemplated resistance due to caliber.
I fully realize that someone may / can take a 45 to the heart and still shoot back, they have 10 seconds of oxygen in the brain for voluntary movement on their part still available.
We shouldn't expect a handgun to immediately incapaciate.
I've delivered 150 gr. PSP 30/06 rifle and 45 cal. muzzleloader 250 gr. JHP through the lungs of average size deer just to watch them run for 75 yards before falling, which only took just a few seconds.
If a 30/06 through the lungs of a 150# deer won't drop it (and it always will not) we can't expect any better from a handgun round packing considerably less energy on a hostile target.
I should have said:
A round that hits with enough OOMPH may cause a a visible reaction in the assailant causing a brief cessation in which you can deliver additional rounds if needed.
Less energy or less OOMPH in the same spot may not cause the little delay in hostilities.
I would prefer the attacker react to being solidly hit than no reaction, although it's not something that's a given.
No internal lock or magazine disconnect on my pistols!
The Terrorists that attacked the US Consulate in Istanbul two years ago died from being hit with just 9mm FMJ bullets.
Even the worst type of ammo can stop an attack. However, they did manage to kill 3 police officers, before all 3 of the terrorists died themselves.
Personally, I wouldn't carry .380 unless it was my only choice. But .380 is better than nothing. If you need DEEP concealment, a .380 gun is hard to beat. Or, you can go a very, very small step up in gun size and look at Kahr's in 9mm and .40 if you want more power, which is what I decided to do.
This debate gets so old and seems to be brought up at least once a week I shouldn't have even wasted the time making this reply.
Carry what you want and be done with it.
Yes, I've heard of CMH winners who carried wounded comrads after being shot 14 times by rifles, yes I've heard of someone being instantly dropped by a single shot from a .22 fired more than 100yds away. There are all kinds of exeptions and extreme examples, and yes a .45 is preferable if you can carry one, and yes the .25 in your pocket is better than the .45 in your safe, but it's always amazing to me how much matcho BS still gets propegated to support these myths.