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This is a discussion on Concealed Carry on Philly subway within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Hi everybody, I was hoping someone living in or near Philly could answer this for me. I have searched the forum as well as all ...
Hi everybody, I was hoping someone living in or near Philly could answer this for me. I have searched the forum as well as all over on-line and have not found an answer. Does the Philly area subway system permit concealed carry of firearms? My younger brother just moved there, to a not so nice neighborhood, and rides the train to and from work late at night. I am trying to convince him the get a permit as well as a concealed pistol for his safety and security while on the train.
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I'm no PA expert but Philly's laws are not the same as PA's? Something to do with Mayor Nuttor. I have a PA CCW and believe I'm not allowed to carry in Philly. Then add the complication of the subway (which is where I'd want it the most).
Kind of seems backward from common sense but then so are most gun laws.
The only difference I am aware of is that in order to OC in PA, you need a valid LTCF. This is different from the rest of the state in that one does not need a permit to openly carry (but OC in a vehicle requires a permit). I don't know if there are any special restrictions with the subway, but I doubt it. Keep it concealed.
The wife and myself took a trip to Philadelphia in November. Before the trip I made a phone call to the assistant AG Office. He told me That since the wife and myself have permits from Utah and New Hampshire which PA recognizes. We we all set and to have a safe trip. The only places we could not carry was the liberty bell and independance hall and the visitors center. Philly tried to make special rules for themselves,but it got squashed by the Attoney generals office. The AG's web site has good information and you can print out the reciprocation aggrements. Alot of good information. hope this helps
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Although Philly politicians routinely try to enact their own gun laws, PA is a preemption state, and such attempts are repeatedly slapped down.
Another resource for PA gun laws is the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association - http://www.pafoa.org/
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I think the confusion with PHL arises from the need to have a special philly permit to OC. Otherwise, I believe it is state law which is followed--- except when they try to make up their own as they seem to do from time to time on the fly. Latest example being a recent spate of refusals to recognize the FL non-resident permit, and that was quickly straightened out by a DA who let the locals know the law.
CAUTION. I don't know the layout of their subway system well. Some caution might be needed at points where the local subway system and Amtrack or other interstate rail lines meet.
I'm sure someone from there can explain it, but I think there are local phila subways, and there are non-Amtrack trains which serve areas outside of phila, and then there is Amtrack, and there may be points where these converge that could create some special circumstances. You don't want to be caught carrying on Amtrack operated trains or facilities.
CCW on public transportation? WOW, wish we had that in St.Louis. Some of the seediest characters you see steal rides on the metrolink all the time and it is one of the places defined under MO law that will get you into real trouble, not just trespassing.
Everyone, check it out carefully yourself so you don't mess up.
Anyway as for the trains, I was just pointing out that I think there are 3 different systems. One of them is not Amtrack but goes into Jersey. Its a regional rail line. I don't know if it run by Amtrack or different. There is SEPTA and PATCO and Amtrack. Patco definitely goes into Jersey.
All I'm saying is double and triple check that you know which lines you are on, and that you know what rules apply to each, and that you make darn sure you don't carry into Amtrack territory or into Jersey. A guy could easily get off at 30th on either of two Philly lines and accidentally wander into 30th Street Station (Amtrack). Or a guy could easily get on something at Walnut or Locust near Broad and end up in NJ, G-d forbid.
At the risk off sounding uninformed, hwtas the deal with Amtrack?
Do they specifically forbid guns, or is it some kind of law?
Reason I asked is my Buddy has property in Va. He said he may want to go up there on Autotrain, which I believe is owned by amtrack, and asked me if I wanted to go with him.
He knows I carry and my Florida CWP is recognized in Va, and all the other states along the route.
Open carry only is controlled be Philly.
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