stopped by a LEO tonight while carrying
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I haven't posted much at all here but tonight was interesting, so I thought I would share my thoughts. I was on my ...
January 6th, 2011 10:52 PM
stopped by a LEO tonight while carrying
I haven't posted much at all here but tonight was interesting, so I thought I would share my thoughts. I was on my way back home from picking up some dinner, keeping up with the flow of traffic. I wasn't paying particular attention to my speed, just keeping up with everyone. I don't usually speed, and if I do, it is usually only 5 mph over.
Well like I said, I was on my way back home on a pretty busy two lane road. I was behind a car who was going at least as fast as I was. All of a sudden I get blue lighted. I wasn't sure if the cop had a call he was trying to get to so I just pulled off the side of the road (two lane road). I guess the car I was behind thought the same thing because that driver also pulled over but then left when they realized the cop was after me.
Once I realized I was getting pulled, I pulled off the road and tried to do everything I could to make the police officer as comfortable as possible. I turned my car off, rolled my windows down, turned on my interior light, and put my hands on the steering wheel. The police officer approached my driver side window and said "good evening....etc." I live in Florida, and to my knowledge, it is not a state where you have to notify a LEO that you are carrying. However, I thought maybe it would show professionalism and consideration on my part by informing him, rather than him somehow finding out on his own.
So I tell him that I have a license to carry a concealed weapon, and ask him what he would like me to do. He instructs me to exit my car and put my hands on the roof. I complied and he removed my handgun and instructed me to walk back to his car and put my hands on the hood.
With all of that taken care of, he comes back to his car and asks me if I know why he pulled me over. I said I didn't. He said he clocked my going quite a bit over the posted speed limit, which immediately struck me as odd when he told me the speed. Something didn't add up, I wasn't going any faster than anyone else, and my butt speedometer didn't indicate the speed that he clocked me at. But, if that is truly how fast I was going, I'm guilty and it was my fault.
This whole time, I was completely cooperative and polite. After he informed me of my violation, he asked for my drivers license and ccw permit. I presented these and he retrieved something from his car. Then he asked a question that made me pretty certain that he was not a fan of law abiding citizen ccw. He asked something along the lines of "I just want to ask you why you feel like you need to carry a gun. I mean I know it's your right and all". I said that alot of bad things happen and cited the recent murder of a young woman in the area. It seemed like he had the attitude of "yea you have the right to carry but you don't really need to and shouldn't". He issued me my citation and then I went on my way.
This is the very first ticket I have had in my entire life. I feel like I am a considerate, law abiding citizen. I thought that informing the LEO that I was carrying was the right thing to do, but in this case, I honestly think it made things worse. Yes I may have been speeding, but I really believe that me lawfully exercising my rights made him all the more willing to write me a ticket. In a way, it makes me want to not carry anymore, or at least not bother with informing the LEO.
Anyone have similar experiences?
January 6th, 2011 10:59 PM
- I've only been pulled over twice since I started carrying. Once was for a headlight that was out and the other was for speeding. I didn't inform the officer at all since I'm not required to in CT. I was very polite and turned on all of my interior lights. I was let off with a warning both times. Informing the officer in either of those situations would not have benefitted me in any way.
Originally Posted by GatorCpE
Your experience just highlights the reason that I don't inform unless I have to. I don't want to get in a conversation with a police officer about my Constitutional rights. I don't want to stand outside of my car while other cars are driving by. Lastly, I do not want to be disarmed by a police officer who may not know anything about the gun I am carrying.
January 6th, 2011 11:02 PM
Seems like he believes only LEO should have guns.
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January 6th, 2011 11:07 PM
This is what I think also. I made two mistakes, one of which I will not make again,
Originally Posted by mr.stuart
2) informing the LEO that I'm carrying out of the goodness of my own heart.
As stated by tokerblue and his/her cases, it wouldn't have benefited me in that situation to let him know. But hindsight is always 20/20.
January 6th, 2011 11:37 PM
GatorCpE you tried to do the right thing.
Unfortunately in today's society doing the right thing doesn't always help out the situation/person. Sad but true. I use to think I would present my permit when traveling through a state that did not require to show a CCW permit during a traffic stop so I could be courteous...but after many long debates and studying I've decided that I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm a law abiding citizen and if the worst thing I've done is legally carry a firearm then that's my decision not some cop/person who thinks I shouldn't.
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January 6th, 2011 11:40 PM
Next time your asked that question from a LEO advise him I carry it for the same reason you do! To protect myself, my family, and others if put in that situation!
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January 6th, 2011 11:43 PM
You're not really thinking to stop carrying because some cop doesn't agree with it are you? IMHO if you carry (or don't) you should do it for the right reasons and not because of what some stranger thinks.
January 6th, 2011 11:49 PM
Ditto. There's TONS of people in the world who don't think we need to carry. The only thing that matters is YOU.
Originally Posted by Binder
I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them. -- John Wayne as John B. Books in "The Shootist"
January 6th, 2011 11:49 PM
Cause the last time I tried to carry a cop IWB, she slapped me!
Originally Posted by GatorCpE
Don't do things you don't want to explain to the Paramedics!
Stupidity should be painful.
January 7th, 2011 01:22 AM
This is how I feel too.
Originally Posted by tokerblue
To the OP, good on you for trying to do the right thing.
We're all in favor of reducing violent crime. It's just that pro-gunners have a method that is proven effective. Anti-gunners don't.
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January 7th, 2011 02:44 AM
Here's the thing as I see it.
Even if you live in a state where you are not required to inform LEO's (unless they ask), there's nothing wrong with being courteous and offering the information at the time of your initial contact with him as if you were in a state which requires you to do so.
Here's the dilemma. You have no idea beforehand what a particular officers feelings towards guns in general, or attitudes towards legal ccw is going to be. It's a crap shoot. You may get an officer who is very pro 2A and gun rights and you may not. So, before you choose to inform an officer when you are not required, you merely have to understand, it may end up being the most pleasant experience you've ever had with an LEO or you could be on the receiving end of a whole lot of attitude or worse.
So, you have to be forewarned. Human nature is human nature. You can not know what some persons biases are, or why they have those biases if you've never met them before.
Also, you have no idea what his decision process was for issuing the ticket. You can read into it that it was his attitude towards ccw in general all you want. You may be correct, but in reality, you don't know, and you'll never know. You were the one he pulled over. It doesn't matter how many else were speeding, you're the one he chose out of the others to stop. He had no idea you were a ccw holder with a weapon when he pulled you over. So, read into his attitude if you wish, but in the end, you really don't know why he chose to write you a citation. Other than you were clocked in excess of the posted speed limit and any leeway they choose to allow. I'd just take it at face value and move on with your life. Many people have had much worse encounters with LEO's on their traffic stops... Feel lucky yours went as well as it did.
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January 7th, 2011 04:18 AM
This is exactly what I was thinking.
Originally Posted by Bark'n
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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January 7th, 2011 05:26 AM
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January 7th, 2011 09:28 AM
you have no idea whether he was going to write you regardless so down blame informing on receiving the citation...blame speeding...and you didnt know how fast you were going?..
January 7th, 2011 09:35 AM
SOOOOOOO many things to add to this thread, SOOOOOO many ways to get banned... think i will take my right to remain silent. bunker
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