Utah permit may require a permit in your own state

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    Quote Originally Posted by livewire9880 View Post
    I was doing research, and determined that adding Utah wouldn't give me anything that my WA, NV, and OR wouldn't do coupled with a FL. . . which doesn't require any training beyond what was required for OR and NV. No special class that costs $200 around here :-/
    Get Arizona....for you would give same states as FL but at half the cost. And a copy of one of your existing permits would be sufficient for training requirements.

    Quote Originally Posted by muddy View Post
    The main reason for this I think is that all the non residents are taxing Utah's system and the residents are getting tired of waiting longer and longer for there permit. Why should Utah be burdened with all the non resident applications just because other states can't get it figured out.
    Why can't they just issue the residents on the spot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coder View Post

    The word I got was that it is three times the work to process out-of-state applicants as opposed to Utah residents.
    How can it be 3 times the work for the exact same process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    How can it be 3 times the work for the exact same process?
    I'm not sure, but I'd guess that it has to do with the overhead of working with other agencies in other states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Get Arizona....for you would give same states as FL but at half the cost. And a copy of one of your existing permits would be sufficient for training requirements.
    Huh. . . you're right. I had no idea that the AZ permit would do that for me. Everyone talks about UT and FL being the 'national' licenses, but nobody mentions Arizona.

    I did see this on the last line of the page you sent me to: "# All training for an AZ CCW permit MUST be conducted within the borders of the state of Arizona." but I didn't reference the statute here "If you possess documentation, as stipulated in ARS 13-3112(E)(6)(b-d), you may qualify to obtain a permit without attending the DPS approved firearms-safety training course. Please contact the Concealed Weapons Permit Unit to obtain an application packet." *

    One thing I didn't see (just skimmed your link), do I have to apply in person? For FL, I can mail in the application and documentation. I have the training requirement covered for FL, it's satisfied by an NRA basic pistol course, which I had to do for Oregon anyway. My NV trainer gave me that cert as well, he just had to cover a couple of things that weren't in the NV sanctioned class.

    I was spoiled when I got my WA CPL, I just had to show up with the filled out app, and let the gal fingerprint me. $55.25 and I was out the door, and waited till I got the call to pick it up (I worked across from the police station I submitted the application to). No useless training. I say useless because it's clearly not designed to help you with proficiency or knowledge, it's just bureaucratic. I was hoping I would at least learn something new since I had to pay for it.

    *EDIT: just read the law referenced above:

    7. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.


    So my OR and NV permits would qualify me under the training requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coder View Post
    I'm not sure, but I'd guess that it has to do with the overhead of working with other agencies in other states.
    But...are they dealing with other state agencies now? I would think the way it is now, they merely do the FBI background check. If we have to start sending in copy of home state licenses, then they will have to deal with the agency to confirm validity?

    Quote Originally Posted by livewire9880 View Post
    Huh. . . you're right. I had no idea that the AZ permit would do that for me. Everyone talks about UT and FL being the 'national' licenses, but nobody mentions Arizona.
    I've been on a "one man push" for AZ since I discovered it was available to get without having to visit the state.

    I did see this on the last line of the page you sent me to: "# All training for an AZ CCW permit MUST be conducted within the borders of the state of Arizona." but I didn't reference the statute here "If you possess documentation, as stipulated in ARS 13-3112(E)(6)(b-d), you may qualify to obtain a permit without attending the DPS approved firearms-safety training course. Please contact the Concealed Weapons Permit Unit to obtain an application packet." *
    They removed the in state training req when they went Constitutional Carry back in July. I mentioned that line to AZDPS couple months ago...they said they would take care of it.... Request your packet, you'll have it in the mail in about 2 days.

    One thing I didn't see (just skimmed your link), do I have to apply in person? For FL, I can mail in the application and documentation. I have the training requirement covered for FL, it's satisfied by an NRA basic pistol course, which I had to do for Oregon anyway. My NV trainer gave me that cert as well, he just had to cover a couple of things that weren't in the NV sanctioned class.
    Entire process thru the mail. NRA Basic will suffice for AZ as well.

    I was spoiled when I got my WA CPL, I just had to show up with the filled out app, and let the gal fingerprint me. $55.25 and I was out the door, and waited till I got the call to pick it up (I worked across from the police station I submitted the application to). No useless training. I say useless because it's clearly not designed to help you with proficiency or knowledge, it's just bureaucratic. I was hoping I would at least learn something new since I had to pay for it.

    *EDIT: just read the law referenced above:

    7. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.


    So my OR and NV permits would qualify me under the training requirement.

    Yes a copy of the permit will suffice as well...assuming those permits required training. $60 for initial issue, $43 for renewals. I had my AZ permit in hand...WAY over here in PA...in 2 weeks.

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    mrjam2jab, thanks much. I'll be emailing them for a packet or is there a way to request the packet on the website?

    I still might get a FL permit later, in case reciprocity agreements change. I looked on usacarry.com's maps, and the only difference between the AZ and FL permits is my home state of WA, who doesn't recognize AZ's permit. Hmm. . . and ironically, FL doesn't recognize a nonresident AZ permit, but they do recognize my WA permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livewire9880 View Post
    mrjam2jab, thanks much. I'll be emailing them for a packet or is there a way to request the packet on the website?

    I still might get a FL permit later, in case reciprocity agreements change. I looked on usacarry.com's maps, and the only difference between the AZ and FL permits is my home state of WA, who doesn't recognize AZ's permit. Hmm. . . and ironically, FL doesn't recognize a nonresident AZ permit, but they do recognize my WA permit.
    Just email or telephone. I sent my request via email, had a response within 20 minutes.

    Yeah...FL is pretty hypocritical. One of, if not the largest, issuer of non-residents licenses...doesn't recognize any...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdprof View Post
    Your second point - state residents must have their own state's permit makes sense. That is the way it is here in SD - all out of state permits are recognized, unless you are a resident. In that case, you must have the SD permit.
    Nevada is this way also. If you are a Nevada resident, you must have a Nevada permit to carry.
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