This is a discussion on What most will fail to recognize within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by azchevy As soon as Mike Quigly recognizes they are used to hunt people and atempts to disarm every LE agency in America ...
Maybe the states ought to start putting the names of the mentally insane on the Fed roles so they would show up in the instant check at purchase.
Politicians don't let facts get in the way of their bias.
I guess the bottom line is " We need to police the neighbors to out the "nuts" to avoid the knee jerk reactions of the legislature.
He was rejected from the military as are many, for admitting to smoking some weed. Nothing truly unusual here.
His behavior at school was sufficiently concerning that he got thrown out, but not criminal in nature. His gripe seemed to be a not uncommon one among young people, "I paid my tuition money so I deserve to pass." Some variant of that is used all the time. I'm failing so its the prof's fault so its the school's fault and I should get my money back or get a passing grade. That is basically what his math prof. indicated the BG was upset about. I've had students (40 years back) get really angry over a grade because it was my fault that they wouldn't be able to get into some advanced program.
He planned his present shooting spree well ahead of time indicating that he was capable of planning coordinated actions, and he is together enough to have chosen to invoke his Miranda rights.
These don't totally strike me as the behavior of someone who doesn't know right from wrong; in fact if he thought he did right he would not need to invoke Miranda because to him his crime would make sense as a righteous thing.
I haven't looked at his writing so I have no opinion as to whether or not they are disjointed in the way that is typical of a schizophrenic's writing. Not that it matters at this point. The damage is already done and I don't see a way it could have been prevented except maybe if the political rhetoric had been different he might have chosen the school as his target or controlled his anger.
What I'm saying is even if he was bat-crap insane, there would have been no real way to tell well enough to prevent him from having purchased a firearm. We've all done dumb things in our lives, it's how we learn. Legally there seems to be no way to separate the stuff we've done with what he did before this event.
Most criminals start out with something smaller before they go on a spree shooting, but not all of them. This was really the first time this guy hit the legal radar.
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I seem to remember a question on the gun application asking if you had any mental problems? A lot of good it would do anyway so why bother?
I'm concerned that all the talk about his mental state and him being crazy and the like is going to help him escape the Federal death penalty or the state death penalty; he deserves both but we can only do it one time.
No matter what happens, we are going to be in for a bumpy ride for this year. I think many will try to force some of the same laws in Cali & Mass to the rest of the states.
If guns were so easy to have WHY didn't any one just shot the idiot? No CCW people around? Tucson is a liberal town
God be with all who died and were injured.
I think that the best way to deal with this vermin is not to try him in court and have it stretch on for years, instead strap him into a fighter jet with the congress-woman's husband and send them out over the pacific. I guarantee the problem will be taken care of before the plane returns.
MY local news and CBS National made a point of his not being right in the head, his prior "mental" issues, and other social problems. Then they focused on AZ gun laws (or lack of them) as you can own and carry a loaded gun (without specifying handgun) almost anywhere, and even some websites that show who posts the "No Guns" signs so you can make a list to go on a shopping spree carrying a gun the whole time. A bit nauseating.
Our rhetoric of "Criminals will still have guns" and "It's in/is the 2A" is old and beaten to death. The antis constantly get new ammo for their anti agenda. but we rarely get anything new to add to the fight. The media will only publish a CCW coming out on top if it is a real slow news day, as in the rest of the episode is full of fluff like Bob's market which has been in business for 50 years is closing.
AZ is going to get it worst since they are in their first year of Constitutional carry, and the drunk sheriff of Pima Cnty can't do a press conference or news interview without making it political.
Even here in CO, with our Governor Inauguration today (Tuesday) is getting all reactionary over the AZ shooting with heightened security and concerns over the security of elected officials, and the risks involved in being in such a position.
Just need to watch the lawmakers and stay on top of them. Going to be a long time before this dust settles.
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Time to buy more guns...