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    Dave, I concur with all other posts which have expressed the desire for you to regain your proper presence of mind in order to carry, much less your health overall. Positive thoughts and prayers have been proffered, but no one here has spoken anything except what is conventional wisdom. May I offer my desire to see you regain that which is potentially at risk of loss by way of sharing truth with you?

    You are under attack. You need the right tools to deal with the situation. Can you actually manipulate your circumstances? Some believe you can. Some suggest you have to have a particular frame of mind so that your mind will control events. Others suggest they and you can through prayer bend the ear of some cosmic force to change the elements within you for good. Still others identify this cosmic force as “God” without further clarification, and expect that their petition heaven-ward will bring about the desired result. But is any of this truth?

    Three historical examples come to mind. While not on point for your condition and ensuing battle, these examples are on point regarding how to do battle. They are also on point in regard to the weapons with which to engage in battle. And they are recorded for all to see in the book given to us by the one who understands the enemy, the battlefield, and us who are unwittingly caught up in the fight.

    The first example is the account of a foreign prisoner who was told he had to obey the governing authority and worship the way the captors wanted him to. Another example is given in which a leader of a nomadic people drew a line in the sand and declared his allegiance to a leader greater than himself at the risk of alienating his followers. The final example is that of a lying, covetous, adulterous murderer who prayed that his son would be healed and which child was gravely ill for a week.

    In the first instance the prisoner was a believer in the God who created the universe, earth in particular and all that is on it. His God was identified as one with whom this guy had a living, personal relationship, to whom he spoke, and from whom he heard. Like, they knew one another; the relationship was deeper than being on a first name basis -- more than a you, Dave, and me, Jeff, kind of thing. They knew each other more intimately than a husband and wife (physical stuff excluded), like God knew everything and would tell this guy secrets. We don’t hear of that happening much today. Anyway, the guy gets nabbed as a kid along with a bunch of other folks and is brought up in a different country than that of his birth. At some point he is confronted by the authorities and told to worship their god or face death. For some that would be a no-brainer: pretend to worship their stupid way and live. Not this guy. Why? Because he knew God. Really knew Him. So he took a pass on their offer. Actually, he didn’t take a pass, but rather, he chose the second option, which he eloquently defended. He positively affirmed that God would protect him from the death the captors had in mind. But he further affirmed even if God would choose not to cause their plans to backfire, he wasn’t going to embrace their god. Makes one think.

    The leader in the second account had pretty much had it with the rabble he was leading. This fellow was one who is reported to have a relationship with the same God as described above, just a different locale and time. His followers were a mix of faiths. He told them bluntly that they needed to choose which god they were going to whole-heartedly serve: either the gods of their parents, their peers, and those in neighboring communities, or the God of creation who he identified as “the Lord,” the One with Power and Perfection.

    In the last example, the murderer had a gravely ill baby son. While hard to believe, this dad also was identified as an adherent of the Lord God of the other two men just mentioned. He got really serious in his prayer life, even to the point of skipping food for a week while he lay on the ground begging God to save the life of his kid.

    So why do I think of these three examples? What do they have in common with you present situation, Dave? And what weapons were being used in their respective engagements?

    1.) They – like you – were under attack. While I do know that you have physical indications that you are under attack, I don’t know if your situation is captained by a spiritual enemy, or if it’s the result of the degradation of all things (in science known as the second law of thermodynamics or in the spiritual, the wages of sin), or if you are undergoing a grand learning-lesson, scary as all get out.

    2.) They – like you – were seeking answers. Where one looks is way really important. If time is short (and none of us know how long we have for sure), then there’s precious little time to be wasted looking in the all the wrong places. These guys all looked to the Lord. Done. Period.

    3.) They – like others on your behalf and perhaps you yourself – did battle with spiritual weapons, namely prayer. And that prayer was serious stuff. And it was tapping into the ear of their commander-in-chief, not just some metaphysical force, but a person, the person of the Lord. They didn’t just have a happy thought. They didn’t just focus on the right image. They had God in their sights, targeting Him with prayer.

    4.) They – like you – wanted to have things change in the direction they felt were in their best interests, which often included the best interest of others as well. Yet, every one of them recognized that maybe, just maybe, things were not going to work out the hoped-for way, and they were prepared to accept the outcome. Not fatalistically. Rather, more like, “Father, not my will but Thine be done.” They knew – intimately knew – God has all, repeat, all things under His control. No Plan B. They knew Him intimately and because of that relationship, they will able to rest in His decision and actions in the middle of their stressful situations.

    All these accounts hinge on knowing God, but more. They require that God knows them. Does God know you, Dave? I mean, sure He knows “Dave” ‘cuz He knows all things, even the number of hairs on my balding head. But does He know you as one of His adopted ones? Ask why that is important, one gets His answer that essentially He’s not obliged to answer any prayer of those who are outside His chosen ones. Whoa! And since time is short and not to be taken up with debating with Him over that point, we simply need to swallow our pride, or better, sacrifice our pride at His feet, and get right with Him His way, the way He spells out clearly to those who have ears to hear.

    Dave, I really do hope for your recovery.

    I know that the young man in the first account ended up being tossed into a fire to be roasted to death; the tribal leader didn’t have to face down disgruntled followers; the murderer’s kid didn’t survive more than a week. The names of the principals are Daniel, Joshua, and David, respectively.

    We don’t know what will be the outcome in our present struggles. But we can know Him who will be our leader though them, and we can have our names written in His book of Life. This is accomplished for us when we submit our heart and soul by repenting of – and confessing -- our failure to keep His standards, and have faith in Him who took our deserved punishment upon Himself.

    I make no apology for the length or content of this post. For those reading who disagree with me, that is your prerogative, and I thank Him for you and your right to disagree. For those who agree, I thank the Lord for what He has shown you. And for those who really, really disagree and wish to do me and/or mine bodily harm, I praise the Lord for my permit to carry a concealed weapon, the knowledge and skill to use it, and the discernment when and when not to.


    xercise2nd --- Jeff

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    Always in my prayers, Dave. Make sure your MD has a concealed carry permit! And Jeff, one good thing about this forum is we respect each other's opinion, whether we agree with it or not. Bye the way, I totally agree with your post.
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    Interesting read, thanks Jeff.

    Had a good day today. Not having treatments on the weekend is like a ray of sunshine, LOL ! All the side effects I have been feeling the last couple of days actually eased today, hopefully tomorrow will be good also.

    Thanks again folks.

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    Hang in there Dave. Good luck.
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    As a survivor (clean since 14 Feb 2006) I can tell you chemo sucks, surgery sucks, but attitude is everything.

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    I'll be praying for ya brother! Just been through alot with my wife and saw great things from prayer with her health. Hang in there and keep positive. You'll pick up the guns again for sure.
    If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good. ~ Thomas J. Watson, Jr.

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    I've got two family members going through chemo right now. I'll be saying prayers for you. Hang tough.
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    Thanks folks.

    Treatment number 5 today, also a visit with the Doc.

    Killer rash is back, it kinda went away over the weekend. A friend who went through this a few years ago recommended a salve that is used on cow udders. I found some at a Farm and Ranch store not too far from the hospital.

    Seems to work all right, but I keep wanting to moo....

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    Hang tuff. People are thinking of you and wishing ya well.

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    Our thoughts and Prayers are with you Dave...

    Please let us know if there is something we can do to assist you or your family...

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    Just an update:

    All is well, side effects are beginning to intensify. Tired all the time.

    On Tuesday they informed me their plan now includes 40 treatments, instead of the proposed 25 that the Oncologist first mentioned to me. Seems they have decided to radiate a much larger area as the treatments progress. Insurance just in case any cells have spread to the next 'in line' lymph nodes.

    We have figured it up, and if I don't miss any treatments, we should be done the day after Labor Day in September.

    By then, I should be elected CEO of a major gas corporation.... 40 trips at 150 miles a day is gonna make them mighty happy!

    Thanks for all the prayers and positive thoughts.... they are working.

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    You're still in our prayers, Dave.
    Thanks for the up-date, keep 'em coming.
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    Hang in there Dave. Chemo is going to take alot out of you and watch out for depression (my uncle when taking his treatments became depressed and they (the docs) said this was normal).

    My prayers and thoughts are with you bud.


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    Long haul Dave - metaphorically and literally. Shucks - 6,000 miles to get thru all that.!

    Thx for updating us tho and still know and remember how many here are rooting for you. Hang in there.
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