Getting a good lawyer

Getting a good lawyer

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    Getting a good lawyer

    Today I reached out to a local attorney who specializes in self-defense law. Cultivating a relationship with a lawyer you may need to call in an emergency makes good sense to me.

    What about you?
    "It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."


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    I know someone who knows someone who has a cousin.

    Seriously, I know someone who ---uh, I can't tell you.

    What Shockwave wrote is a good idea.

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    I have seriously been thinking about sending a check to the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network, LLC. I've read some good things about them on this and other forums. But, I'm all about "face time" and having a local attorney that I can sit down with and look in the eye would make me feel much better.

    So, Shockwave, just how much does it cost to "cultivate a relationship" with such an attorney?

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    So, Shockwave, just how much does it cost to "cultivate a relationship" with such an attorney?
    I have no idea. I'll keep you all posted. Maybe there will be a charge for the initial consultation, or maybe I just take counsel out to lunch.
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    Joining the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network is, in my opinion, a very good (and very reasonably priced) move. But it's purpose is not to supply you with a lawyer -- so it doesn't serve the (implied) advice of the OP. On the other hand, it's monthly journal, which is available for free online at their website, has had a number of articles about how to look for, develop a relationship with and use a self defense lawyer. (and no, I don't remember specifically which issues have which lawyer-related articles in them .)
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    This has been an on-going thought for me during the last few years. I've even tried contacting a local attorney or two to get a personal conference without success...although I haven't really pushed it.
    During the last month, however, I did get the name of a very good attorney who apparently defends most of the surrounding area's LEO's when it comes to defensive shootings, and she can be available for non-LEO's.
    I have not tried to contact her as of yet, but at least I have a 'dependable' name.
    We'll see...
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    Hoping no one considers this a hijack but it seems that literally everything in this country is now "grey" and will never be "black and white" again, thus requiring lawyers. Our entire lives and any interractions we may make or have to follow based on the law must now be resolved by and revolve around lawyers. It seems they are the only people who come out on top, no matter what the situation. They are the elected, they are the judicial, they are the legislative, and then they are the ones who end up being our advisors on all matters. The idea that a preeminent consideration in our desire to protect ourselves has to be invested in a lawyer is yada yada yada

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    Attorneys are like doctors. They have specialities.

    Statistically, I am far, far less likely to need an attorney for a SD shooting than I am a neurologist, a cardiologist, or an oncologist for medical procudeures. Do you keep those guys on speed dial? If not, seeking out a criminal defense attorney is probably a waste of time IMHO.

    I will most likely need a good roofing contractor in the next five years to do a shingle replacement on my home. Do I go out now and try to establish a relationship with one? Take a couple to lunch? Feel them out for how best to handle the job? I guess if you're obsessed with roofing issues, you'd see it as a good idea. Me? Not so much. I'll call around to my neighbors and find a reliable contractor when I need one. That's just me.

    I also travel frequently. If I have to defend myself in another state, I would prefer to have an attorney in that state who knows the local system, the judges, jury issues, &c. Depeneding on the situation, I may prefer a different attorney based on other factors.

    Personally, my wife would have me committed if I told her I was using our money to pay dues to a gun group to advise me in a post-shooting environment. She (rightly in my opinion) would think I had my priorities way out of whack. If you live in a dangerous area, own a pawn shop in Detroit and carry around lots of cash, or are in some high-risk profession, I could understand it. If you are some nice, old retired guy living a quiet life, then spending your time and money obsessing over this eventuality means you need to get a better hobby. I'd rather that money go to defray a monthly gym membership so I can keep myself fit as I grow older.

    I'm not living my life around a post self-defense issue. I have far more important (and far more likely) situations to manage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hoping no one considers this a hijack but it seems that literally everything in this country is now "grey" and will never be "black and white" again, thus requiring lawyers. Our entire lives and any interractions we may make or have to follow based on the law must now be resolved by and revolve around lawyers. It seems they are the only people who come out on top, no matter what the situation. They are the elected, they are the judicial, they are the legislative, and then they are the ones who end up being our advisors on all matters. The idea that a preeminent consideration in our desire to protect ourselves has to be invested in a lawyer is yada yada yada
    That's the product of over-reaching and overly intrusive government interference in our daily lives. We elect legislators who then find it's their job to legislate. And legislate they will. I read recently that there at 22,000 gun laws alone in the US. That means each os if is likely a criminal at some point. Sadly, that makes lawyers a necessity.

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    I spend way too much on attorneys as it is (I get flooded with Christmas gifts from them ).

    However, I've narrowed it down to one general practitioner that handles the bulk of the land transactions and then he'll direct me to specialists if needed.

    I think it's a great idea to have an idea of whom you should call, but I don't recommend paying a retainer. You likely pay enough for insurance as it is. Lawyers are feeling the pinch of economics just like the rest of us and most are still hungry for work.
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    The Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Mas and Marty know what they are doing.

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    As a lawyer practicing criminal law for 27 years, you will be hard pressed finding anyone who "specializes" in self defense issues. Look for a criminal defense lawyer who knows about guns and gun issues, who is willing to sit down and talk to you and give you an after hours contact number. Most won't charge you just to talk as criminal cases tend to be handled on a flat fee basis, but time is money so if you want an hour or more of time I suggest you offer to pay.

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    One thing to keep in mind when seeking a Defense Attorney is that many are used to "defending the guilty" if you know what I mean. They may not have much experience with lawfully-armed citizens and self defense. Do you want someone who is skilled at quickly bargaining for a lesser charge or someone who knows how (and is willing to take the time and effort) to properly investigate the event, find credible experts and skillfully defend you during a trial?
    Caveat emptor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Personally, my wife would have me committed if I told her I was using our money to pay dues to a gun group to advise me in a post-shooting environment. She (rightly in my opinion) would think I had my priorities way out of whack.
    Agree. But I don't think ShockW was talking about hiring someone. Maybe I misunderstood him if he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Attorneys are like doctors. They have specialities.

    Statistically, I am far, far less likely to need an attorney for a SD shooting than I am a neurologist, a cardiologist, or an oncologist for medical procudeures. Do you keep those guys on speed dial? If not, seeking out a criminal defense attorney is probably a waste of time IMHO.

    I will most likely need a good roofing contractor in the next five years to do a shingle replacement on my home. Do I go out now and try to establish a relationship with one? Take a couple to lunch? Feel them out for how best to handle the job? I guess if you're obsessed with roofing issues, you'd see it as a good idea. Me? Not so much. I'll call around to my neighbors and find a reliable contractor when I need one. That's just me.

    I also travel frequently. If I have to defend myself in another state, I would prefer to have an attorney in that state who knows the local system, the judges, jury issues, &c. Depeneding on the situation, I may prefer a different attorney based on other factors.
    If you need a specialist doctor in an emergency, the hospital is going to have one, or transfer you to a place that does.

    If your roof collapses, or needs re-done, you have time and resources to get bids, and research, plus your homeowners insurance may help out with a preferred list of contractors in your area.

    If you get in a SD shooting, you have very limited time to get a Lawyer, and no chance to research.
    "Yes officer I understand my rights. I would like to assist you in your investigation, but I am not going to answer any questions without an attorney present."

    Is your Wife OK and uninjured? Mentally stable after the incident to find you a lawyer? Since you travel a lot, is she with you or able to contact one in the state you are in? You are only going to get 1 additional phone call after they take you to the station.

    Having legal representation available kind of falls into the whole "Why we wear seat belts, why we have smoke detectors & fire extinguishers, and why we carry" thing. Pray to the gods we never need them, but when you do, it is right here, right now."

    NOTE - I don't have any legal representation means available to me, but this issue has been weighing heavily on my mind for some time.
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