Opinions please!!!!!!

Opinions please!!!!!!

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    Opinions please!!!!!!

    I posted an earlier thread, stating I am in the process, of going into the Army. I also posted a thread, about having to sell the last of my guns, due to being out of work. Here's where my question to you all comes in. I will be sent out of state for basic, in the next couple of weeks, which will leave my fiance home, with only a dog to protect her.

    I don't feel comfortable with that. I haven't been able to talk her into getting a CCW, but I would at least like to buy her a gun to keep at the house while I'm gone. She doesn't find it necessary, she's not anti-gun and shoots pretty well, she just seems to think, since we live in a nice neighborhood, nothing will happen. She doesn't seem to understand, BG's don't rob the poor, they go where the money is. My fear is that, if I buy her a weapon, before I leave, that it will wind up being an expensive paper weight, that could be used against her. Should I keep a gun out of the house, until I get back home, or buy her a weapon, in hope she'll use it if needed. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. Moderators, I'm sorry if I posted in the wrong forum, feel free to move this thread.
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    Forget it. She doesn't want a gun, she isn't going to use one, it is a waste of money to buy her one. And you're right, it would more likely end up being used against her. This is not something you can do for her. Until she decides for herself that she is willing and able to defend herself there is nothing you can do about it.

    I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's how it is.

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    The problem with that is, the moment she decides that she does need to defend herself, may be the moment that it is too late to equip her, i.e the moment someone is kicking in a door at umpthirty in the morning. For many people the realization that they may need to defend themselves comes too late.

    I would get a small 20gauge pump shotgun, load the tube with '00' buck, and set it deep in the bedroom closet. Put a lock that you can lock from the inside of the door in there, and tell her if anyone enters the house, to get in that closet, rack that shotgun, and blow a hole in whoever tries to open that door.

    A shotgun would be cheap, effective, and easy to show her to use. It could be hidden out of the way, readied in an instant, and give you some peace of mind.

    Now if you could just teach the dog to shoot.....
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    Personally, I would get an inexpensive revolver and lock it in a safe in the bedroom. Tell her to forget about it but, know it IS there in case it's needed.

    If someone is in the house to take it and use it against her, she's in a world of trouble anyway.

    Better to have and not need than to need and not have.

    Just sayin...

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    Hmmmmm. How is she with pocket knives? If she's more amenable to that kind of steel, a $70 HAK is both easily EDC'd and a better cost/value. A Spydie Yojimbo, BM Nimravus, etc., would all be compact and easy to carry. I've seen more A-holes made dead by a ticked woman with a knife than shot.

    If she isn't confident in her ability with the tool, its useefulness is really a crapshoot.

    Another thought, again- if she's receptive: get her to email FrontSight (a lady, if you don't know) at info@HideAwayKnife.com . Sometimes a different feminine perspective helps.

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    I agree with the shotgun idea. You can get inexpensive, but good, 20ga shotguns. Load it up and put into a room that can be made into a saferoom.

    The safe room should have a lock on the inside and maybe put a board across it (put in brackets on the solid door frame/wall and then get a piece of wood that will fit into them). Since it's going to be only a week, this gives you no time to get a real door (most bedroom doors are so thin that they are just for looks). Make sure that there is either a cell phone (best choice) or a reg. phone in the safe room.

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    Hmmm - coupla weeks.

    To be honest unless she is prepared to put in some training time and you can find the time too - the gun idea is maybe not so good. At the very least if she has one she must be fully in control of it and adept at its useage.

    Certainly as a security factor one is desirable - and even a cheapie Taurus snub would do - or a Charter perhaps.

    Bottom line for me is if she has one - she really has to be motivated to learn it well enough - to be useful to her and not a danger. Even knife useage requires ideally some aptitude to make the best of the potential.

    I think this requires close discussion and take it from there.
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    Get her a dog. Or a can of pepper spray. Don't get her a gun.

    No matter what kind of gun you get she needs to learn how to use it and--most importantly--she needs to be WILLING to use it. From what you've said she won't be willing. Even if you get her one, and she gets it out when a bad-guy shows up, I'm betting that in the back of her mind she'll be hoping she can just scare him away without having to shoot. That's when he's going to take it away from her and use it on her! Or, maybe, once you leave she'll be worried about that "icky" gun that she knows you put in there and she'll go unload it! Then he'll take it away from her and beat her over the head with it.

    Getting a gun for someone who does not want one is a very bad idea.

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    It is sad when people dont want to defend themselves, no matter who it is.
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    It is sad when people dont want to defend themselves, no matter who it is.
    Its usaully the ones that have lead a relativley comfortable and peaceful life. They have never really been exposed to violence other than what they see on TV or in the movies and it isnt real to them.

    Until it affects them personally, they'll never give personal defense a second thought because there is no need. The graveyards are full of people that were victims of violence. Unfortunatley for them, it was sudden and final.
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    And if you havent noticed...those are becoming more and more common. Complacency is the norm it seems.
    Fear No Evil.

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    one word for those types...

    CANNONFODDER
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    I agree with the 20 ga shotgun suggestion. There are very few folks, good or bad that will not respect the scattergun at close range.

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    +1 on letting her decide when the time is appropriate....
    She is a grown up and has the right to choose how to defend herself....
    I stopped trying to convince my wife and life is more peaceful because of it....
    I also dont sit and worry that something will happen just because she doesn't, life is too short to spend worrying.....
    allow her the right to choose and maybe she'll come around later...
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    It's official

    Thanks for all your advise, I'm not going to push the issue with her. I don't want to pressure her and turn her off to guns, I'm leaning toward the pepper spray. I have allready gotten her one for her keychain, and a larger can for the console in her car. Also it's now official, I was sworn into the U.S. Army yesterday, I will be sent to FT. Knox for basic, Aug 10th, after that it's on to FT Leonard Wood, for AIT. I'm going in, as a chemical operations specialist, that should be interesting Thanks again for all the good advise
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