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Restaurants the serve alcohol in Arkansas? Can you carry?

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    In NC we can not carry anywhere where alcohol is consumed. That means places like Outback or Red Lobster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Because a defense lawyer will use it to his advantage. He will bring up the fact that you have been drinking, and how good is your judgement since you are "impaired" ? It's a reasonable doubt issue. Any shooting situation will result in a Blood/alcohol test. If any amount shows up, it will be used against you.

    You can have a drink or two with a meal, but be very careful if you are toting.
    Can you cite any case, where a prosecutor proceeded/and or won a conviction against someone, who shot another in an otherwise GOOD SELF-DEFENSE shooting and the consumption of alcohol effected the outcome at trial? I cannot find one. I know of a couple where it didn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken57 View Post
    Of course not. NO drinking while carrying.
    It is completely legal to have a cocktail or glass of wine, with dinner for instance, here in Nevada and to carry your (my) firearm while doing so. I am able, under Nevada law, to defend myself regardless.

    It is legal to carry in any place, restaurant, bar, casino, whatever that serves/sells adult beverages here in Nevada. We can drink if we want to. We don't seem to have any problems with drunk permit holders "shooting up the place." It seems to me that this is all an urban myth that I call BS on.

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    Can you cite any case, where a prosecutor proceeded/and or won a conviction against someone, who shot another in an otherwise GOOD SELF-DEFENSE shooting and the consumption of alcohol effected the outcome at trial? I cannot find one. I know of a couple where it didn't matter.
    Nope. Thats pretty much what the District Prosecutor tells us. He teaches the "law" part of our classes. So far, our SD shootings in this area have been pretty cut and dried. Most haven't even been arrested, they just fill out a statement. The Sheriff or Police Chief along with the Prosecutor figure out the details and go from there. Since the Prosecutor is the one that will be sitting across the table from you making the determination of whether you stay free or go to jail,what he says is good enough for me.

    Actually, you may recall a shooting at a Wedding that was taking place by a creek here in Arkansas that made national news. It was the agency that I presently work for that investigated it. Everyone involved was drunk.
    I can tell you that it was a major consideration in the case, but the shooter prevailed in the end because he had taken a beating, a mob of several had followed him to his truck and began throwing large rocks at him. He started shooting and hit several people before they disperesed.
    Alcohol was a big deal in that case and it could have just as easily gone the other way for the shooter. It was the topic of much discussion on the LEO level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Nope. Thats pretty much what the District Prosecutor tells us. He teaches the "law" part of our classes. So far, our SD shootings in this area have been pretty cut and dried. Most haven't even been arrested, they just fill out a statement. The Sheriff or Police Chief along with the Prosecutor figure out the details and go from there. Since the Prosecutor is the one that will be sitting across the table from you making the determination of whether you stay free or go to jail,what he says is good enough for me.

    Actually, you may recall a shooting at a Wedding that was taking place by a creek here in Arkansas that made national news. It was the agency that I presently work for that investigated it. Everyone involved was drunk.
    I can tell you that it was a major consideration in the case, but the shooter prevailed in the end because he had taken a beating, a mob of several had followed him to his truck and began throwing large rocks at him. He started shooting and hit several people before they disperesed.
    Alcohol was a big deal in that case and it could have just as easily gone the other way for the shooter. It was the topic of much discussion on the LEO level.
    So what you are saying is that if you are drunk and you go ahead and shoot someone AND you were NOT justified in doing so you will face the Judge. Gee, I would hope so, in fact I would hope you would face the Judge in that situation even if you were sober.

    IMO, having a a drink or two is not the issue. The issue is how you behave. If you cannot behave like an adult when you have a drink or two, DON'T DRINK! But this doesn't, IMO, have anything to do with carrying a gun.

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    This is a common mistake people here in "Gods Country" make. Hahaha. Basically it's like this.... If it's a sports bar and grill or just a bar and grill for instance, TGIF, applebees, outback, then your fine. If it's just a bar that happens to serve a sandwich, then no. My instructor clearly told me, if your going out to drink, leave it at home. I don't drink at all so I dont have to worry with this, but if you are, don't take your gun. Just has bad news all over it. Oh and btw, if the restaurant is posted no firearms allowed.... Don't do it. Unlike other states, this can land you a felony charge and bye bye permit.

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    Unlike other states, this can land you a felony charge and bye bye permit.
    Actually its just a misdemeanor trespass, but you could still lose your permit over it if convicted because it is a weapons related charge.
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    On a related note, Fox & Hound meets the definition of a restaurant by the ASP and Arkansas defintion of such - they are open for meals 5 or more days, have a full menu, have a full kitchen and meet all the other criteria.

    Cowboys, Peaches or Visions nightclubs or Willy D's and The Flying Saucer,...? No so much....

    I, too, am an advocate of the "Alochol and Firearms don't mix" mindset. I won't go out with someone whom I know carries and wants to drink while doing so. Call me a prude, I guess, but my pistol stays at home or gets locked in the car safe if I get a wild hair while out with some friends at a restaurant. If I'm at home and feel like a drink, then Dean goes in the pistol safe until 1 hour per drink has passed.
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    Oh ok Hot guns. My fault. But still not worth losing your permit over for sure. I live right across from Memphis and beal street for example is a absolute no go for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattmann View Post
    Oh ok Hot guns. My fault. But still not worth losing your permit over for sure. I live right across from Memphis and beal street for example is a absolute no go for me.
    I thought Tenn changed all of that in the law.
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