Woman said she had a gun and wasnt afraid to use it in walmart.
This is a discussion on Woman said she had a gun and wasnt afraid to use it in walmart. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; First off, this forum is not about grammar and punctuation---it is about defensive carry---those who criticize have taken up space on this thread. I will ...
February 23rd, 2011 06:56 AM
First off, this forum is not about grammar and punctuation---it is about defensive carry---those who criticize have taken up space on this thread. I will be the first to admit that I have done the same and was embarrassed by the responses to my sanctimonious sarcasm---it is impolite and rude and does not reflect well on you.
Now to my what if reply. What if the lady yelling about her gun had actually put her hands on or punched my wife at the store. Is simple assault considered a minor felony or just a misdemeanor? If the answer is that it is a minor felony, in SC I can affect a citizen's arrest. Now the tricky part---can I hold that lady and prevent her from just leaving either by presenting my firearm or physically restraining her? I am not sure if I can actually present the firearm and I am darn sure that I cannot use it, if the lady just upped and left. There is, in SC, another part to citizens arrest at night, wherein I can use any means necessary that could include the death of the felon, to restrain and prevent him from escaping my arrest (obviously this is not meant to be the situation in this case at a Walmart). All this comes down to the definition of a felony---not sure if simple assault falls into the category of a felony.
February 23rd, 2011 08:05 AM
I'm all about defending my wife, but I'm not going to be baited into a physical assault on some whackadoodle over mere words - even threats. My wife and I will simply walk away. Nutty people are, by definition, nutty and umpredictable. Nothing you say or do is going to make them less nutty, or improve the situation.
Men have to especially be self-aware, and realize when their natural "rooster mode" is inflamed. If you find yourself puffing out your chest and going all caveman to "defend your woman", it's a good time for a gut check. What are you going to do? Put a beat-down on a middle aged woman? How is that going to look to a jury? If the nutter punches, shoves, or assaults my wife any way short of imminent death or grave bodily harm, I would get between her and the crazy woman as quickly as possible, and hustle my wife away from the scene while dialing 911. I'm not staying for a fight.
I am not trained or authorized to detain some wacko. I am not interested in nuances of law, nor about what may constitute a "citizen's arrest". I am not a cop, and I'm not arresting ANYBODY - especially someone who is pharmacologically or mentally impaired. I'm leaving the area as fast as possible, and leaving whatever remains behind to the police and store management.
If it's not a situation that calls for a firearm, it is one that calls for you and your family to immediately depart. Engaging is not an option for me.
Last edited by MadMac; February 23rd, 2011 at 02:02 PM.
February 23rd, 2011 08:07 AM
For a second there, I thought I was on Glock Talk. What a waste of bandwidth.
February 23rd, 2011 08:21 AM
This is a bit off-topic but, in fairness to Target, the various rumors about them with regard to Toys for Tots and other military and veterans issues are false internet myths. A couple of sites debunking this nonsense can be found here and here. (I have no real reason to go out of my way defending Target - I don't work there or own stock in them - other than the fact that I much prefer shopping there than at WalMart, q.v. the OP's Crazy Lady.)
Originally Posted by crabbys44
February 23rd, 2011 01:37 PM
Grammar police are taking up useful oxygen, absolutely agreed. But there's a distinction with muddled descriptions, which have little to do with punctuation or grammar. With such descriptions, it's hard to respond intelligibly. It's not about sanctimony. It's about attempting to get a clear picture, if any useful reply is to be made. No intentional sanctimony or piousness intended, here.
Originally Posted by kelcarry
Nuts abound, in this world. There are simply too many to get in a twist in response to each and every one. As with many people of past generations, I was raised in a "sticks and stones" type environment, in which it was clear that unless violent hands-on occurred it was almost surely best to exit the situation and deal with my offended "manhood" later and elsewhere. As with MadMac and others, I'm certainly not going to feel puffed up and justified in playing street cop merely because someone woke up bent today and decided to vent their anger or ugliness in my direction. Too much is at stake in this vile, blame-game culture we have. It's all too easy to end up in prison for engaging another citizen with a lethal weapon, and I'll be damned if I'm going to risk everything I have with some nut who's baiting me and mine. It just isn't worth it. Far better to use a bit of simple psychology and ratchet down the situation to allow a safe exit, whether that involves ignoring the person, engaging softly, involving the management at the store, or whatever.
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February 23rd, 2011 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Hopyard
It's not so much the grammar, but the description of the occurrence itself. I'm unable to decipher what happened because it is unclear. I think by "something" he means the B word, but with the rest of it, I don't know.
February 23rd, 2011 04:35 PM
As far as the OP goes, I don't completely understand what happened, but I probably would have ignored it and kept walking. As to the incident in the park with the kids, I would not have disarmed. I have no problem being armed around LEOs and have done so many times. In UT, we do not have to inform just because they are nearby. I help out with many public service events such as parades, etc, and always carry.
February 23rd, 2011 05:12 PM
I might be wrong, but I think the word "something" got substituted for prohibited language by Sixto who edited the post to remove language violations. So yes, we need to guess.
Originally Posted by dakeypoo
Still, it seems fairly clear what happened.
February 25th, 2011 04:33 PM
A nut-case in Walmart? Tell me it ain't so!
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February 25th, 2011 06:04 PM
Hop - once again we find common ground. We don't know what the OP has had to deal with in his life. There are many ways through life and some are easy, some are hard. Some result in a lawyer-like command of the language, others not so much.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
I also thank the OP for relaying his story, it provides food for thought and we can all learn something from his experience. It may have taken a few more seconds to read and understand the scenario because of the grammar, but with a little concentration, you can understand the story. God knows I have areas I need to work on and I am grateful that others can deal with me despite these imprefections. I suspect I am not all that unusual.
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February 25th, 2011 08:12 PM
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February 25th, 2011 08:24 PM
I wasn't aware Target had banned toys for tots. I'm a proud former Marine, so I should take my business elsewhere! Bummer since my wife loves Target.
Originally Posted by crabbys44
February 26th, 2011 04:44 PM
I took some time to edit the OP's post; hopefully, this will help the OP present his case and also help readers understand what happened:
Woman in Walmart said she had a gun and wasn't afraid to use it.
My wife and I had just entered Walmart and as we were walking and talking to each other, a lady in scrubs says to us "You see something funny -----?" She was talking in our direction, so I turned to see who she was talking to.
Well it was apparently me and or my wife. Her calling my wife a ----- pissed me off, so I said: "-----, what is wrong with you? We weren't talking or looking at you. What's your problem?" She mumbled for a while and says something else as she swings her purse around. We just walked off to do our shopping and my wife says: "I can't believe she just said that!"? I said: "What?" My wife says: "She said: 'I have a gun and I'm not afraid to use it!'. So I went over to the lady with Walmart personnel and I asked her: "Did you just threaten me with a gun?"
She said: "No you can search my purse.", and holds it out to me. I told I would not search it and walked off.
I know I didn't do what I should have, but, damn, we didn't do a thing to provoke this and had I not had my weapon I would have said/cussed more about this nut case. Walmart workers heard this threat from start to end and didn't even call the police.
I guess it's a good thing I didn't hear the woman say that cause I would have been a little on edge with her digging at her purse.
Cogito, ergo armatum sum. I think, therefore I am armed. (Don Mann, The Modern Day Gunslinger; the ultimate handgun training manual)
February 26th, 2011 04:57 PM
I have been called just about everything possible over time, so I am not effected by such nonsense, neither is the wife. On the other hand, someone physically assaults my wife they will get restrained or hit the floor, one way or another.
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February 26th, 2011 07:01 PM
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