Have you ever wanted a list companies and others who contribute to antigun causes?

This is a discussion on Have you ever wanted a list companies and others who contribute to antigun causes? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by kapnketel Bruce is a hard core liberal, campaigned for Obama, etc. No surprise there. The St. Louis Cards, however is a little ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapnketel View Post
    Bruce is a hard core liberal, campaigned for Obama, etc. No surprise there. The St. Louis Cards, however is a little odd. Probably a small donation to "stop gun violence" kinda thing, businesses get pitched with the "help the kiddies" all the time.

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    The St Louis Cardnals were MAJOR LEAGUE contributors and supporters of the effort to DEFEAT the Missouri voter referendum to enact concealed carry in about 1998; thanks in large part to the Cardnals it took another 10 years for Missouri to get CCW. Also the Rams and Royals were right in there with them.

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    Quote; Rollo:,,
    This list is useless without knowing why specifically a person or organization is on it. "documents which organizations have lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations." There are a TON of different ways this could be interpreted and the NRA is pretty loose with what they consider a Anti Gun organization. Donating money to a democrats campaign could technically end you up on this list. This is exactly why I am NOT a member of the NRA. They are as bad as the Brady Campaign when it comes to not giving people the entire story.


    Rollo,
    I most often agree with your level-headed thought process, but here you are off- base.

    Theres a reason, Other companies are not on the list, same as theres a reason Barbara Streisand is on it.

    They, either through voicing their opinion, and/or donating and standing side by side with anti gun groups has put tem on the list.

    Substantiate what you have said in what I've outlined in bold. above.
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    Jane Fonda - Actress

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    Quote; Rollo:,,
    This list is useless without knowing why specifically a person or organization is on it. "documents which organizations have lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations." There are a TON of different ways this could be interpreted and the NRA is pretty loose with what they consider a Anti Gun organization. Donating money to a democrats campaign could technically end you up on this list. This is exactly why I am NOT a member of the NRA. They are as bad as the Brady Campaign when it comes to not giving people the entire story.


    Rollo,
    I most often agree with your level-headed thought process, but here you are off- base.

    Theres a reason, Other companies are not on the list, same as theres a reason Barbara Streisand is on it.

    They, either through voicing their opinion, and/or donating and standing side by side with anti gun groups has put tem on the list.

    Substantiate what you have said in what I've outlined in bold. above.
    Until the NRA clearly defines what constitutes being "Anti Gun" means, being on the list (or not being on it) isn't really quantifiable in anyway. We need a frame of reference or more importantly a definition. For example. Lets say that the NRA considers voting for a political candidate that has supported anti gun legislation grounds to be included on the list. Ok, well then anyone that voted for Regan or the first Bush would be on the list. Or any business that supported their campaign with monetary contributions or volunteers. For all intents and purposes it would be reasonable to label someone that supported anti gun politicians as anti gun themselves.

    Rereading my original post I did however mistype. It was unfair of me to say "Donating money to a democrats campaign could technically end you up on this list". Because they don't define what a anti gun organization is I can't say for sure that donating money to a democrats campaign would end you up on the list but that's kind of my point. In addition, I highly doubt that I would agree with the NRA's definition of a "anti gun" in the same way that I doubt I would agree with the Brady Campaigns definition of "pro-gun". Again, I do apologize for that last part, it was poorly worded. What I was thinking in my head and trying to say was that "FOR ALL WE KNOW donating money to a democrats camping..." Which I still hold as accurate and will until the NRA defines anti-gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Until the NRA clearly defines what constitutes being "Anti Gun" means, being on the list (or not being on it) isn't really quantifiable in anyway. We need a frame of reference or more importantly a definition. For example. Lets say that the NRA considers voting for a political candidate that has supported anti gun legislation grounds to be included on the list. Ok, well then anyone that voted for Regan or the first Bush would be on the list. Or any business that supported their campaign with monetary contributions or volunteers. For all intents and purposes it would be reasonable to label someone that supported anti gun politicians as anti gun themselves.

    Rereading my original post I did however mistype. It was unfair of me to say "Donating money to a democrats campaign could technically end you up on this list". Because they don't define what a anti gun organization is I can't say for sure that donating money to a democrats campaign would end you up on the list but that's kind of my point. In addition, I highly doubt that I would agree with the NRA's definition of a "anti gun" in the same way that I doubt I would agree with the Brady Campaigns definition of "pro-gun". Again, I do apologize for that last part, it was poorly worded. What I was thinking in my head and trying to say was that "FOR ALL WE KNOW donating money to a democrats camping..." Which I still hold as accurate and will until the NRA defines anti-gun.

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    I think its safe to believe that if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and flies like a duck it must be a duck.

    If a polititian, organization, or person has gone on record as such, that they are against firearms of some form or another, then it should be safe to believe they are anti-gun.


    Go ahead and try to show me one organization, or person listed who you feel is undeserving of being on the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post


    Go ahead and try to show me one organization, or person listed who you feel is undeserving of being on the list.
    I'm not saying that the people and organizations don't deserve to be there. I am saying that I would like to know WHY they are there. If you could do a search of convicted felons (you may be able to, I don't know) for a given area and you search my grandmothers neighborhood SHE would be on the list. But when you find out she was convicted of felony trespassing for participating in the civil rights protests in Mississippi that changes things a bit. Personally, I want to know if the person moving in on the same block is on the sex offender registry because he is a sexual predator or because he and 2 of his drunken college buddies solicited a prostitute when he was 19. Not everything is as black and white as we would like. Or are you scared of my felonious grandmother? :) So, that is why I would like the NRA to define what they consider to be "anti gun" and I would like to know WHY those people and organizations are on the list. The fact that they are on a list means nothing without that information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hudsonvalley View Post
    How could Sly be on the list?
    Don't confuse Sly, or any other actor, with the characters he pretends to be. And, those companies & organizations are on the list because they actively contribute MONEY to anti-gun causes or organizations.

    Anyone here wearing Levi's? They too, are on the list, which is why I wear Wranglers.
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    Have to love all the celebrities in there gated communities and armed guards on the list. You only deserve to be safe if you are famous or rich

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    Damn it. No more "Cherry Garcia" for me... I should have thought that Ben and Jerry's would be on the list. Oh well. But Robert Redford? Levi's? Sara Lee? Argh!
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