What is considered concealed?
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Does concealed ...
March 7th, 2011 10:32 PM
What is considered concealed?
What does concealed actually mean? I just got approved for my LTC in MA. I haven't received the permit in the mail yet.
Does concealed mean that it is undetectable? Just out of sight? ...?
Is there a definition of what it actually means?
March 7th, 2011 10:58 PM
First off welcome to the forum!
I can't answer your question directly regarding MA. In our state, before we became "shall issue", concealed only was sometimes put on permits as a restriction. In that case concealed meant concealed.... (little or no printing) the sheriffs who issued those didn't want to deal with MWAG calls.
Here's a link to your states laws that may help... but what I read there about MA said nothing about concealment; Handgunlaw.us and here's a link to an organization in MA that may be of particular interest to you...GOAL.ORG
I always carry concealed, I don't have to... under my state's laws... but I don't want any unneccessary interactions with LEOs, their job is tough enough without having to answer some crazed and wringer's call about a man with a gun... And most of the time my wife can't even tell if I'm carrying or not.
Good luck, and again, WELCOME!
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March 7th, 2011 11:08 PM
Welcome to the DC Forum from Delaware! Concealed so as not to draw attention to it! JMHO.
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March 7th, 2011 11:16 PM
I would re-read the law as it is written in MA.
Generally "concealed" means not observable by a casual observer.
"Printing" is when your gun's outline, typically the grip or butt, sticks out from your side when you move or bend.
"Flashing" is carelessly displaying your gun in public.
Printing is embarrassing at best, dangerous at worst. Flashing is usually illegal and will draw unwanted attention to you from the good guys and the bad guys.
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March 7th, 2011 11:43 PM
For about 80% of the non carrying public concealed means not waving it in their face.
Don't get too worried about it, the first few times you carry you're going to feel like you have a Siamese twin attached to you. It gets better with time and practice. Check yourself in the mirror and be aware of any clothes hanging up on the gun. You'll be fine, enjoy.
March 8th, 2011 05:13 AM
So when I first read this I thought well thank Swordfish that in Oregon we had to take classes to let us know what "concealed meant" then I tried to remember the law in my state and drew a blank. I think I just got in the mind set that I had to make my tool invisible. Its not that hard to do with a little advanced planning and prep (I really am not an A-hole, really). There are some great holster options out there and gun choices out there where ya really don't have to get lazy and expose your firearm to the public or those close to you (I gotta very amorous girlfirend as well, and wont carry a mouse gun) . I look at it this way, ya never tell if ya carry cause ya don't have to be the crazy guy who carries a gun to those who chose to misinformed sheep. The laws are easy to look up for your state and published on your states website or in other locations. Always be safe and never tell, its called a concealed license for a reason...
March 8th, 2011 06:44 AM
from Central Florida!
Concealed is just that...it cannot be seen, or an observer cannot determine that you are carrying a gun.
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March 8th, 2011 08:16 AM
Hey Sag: I am not trying to make light of your question. I have always asked about anything that I was not sure of--if I do not ask, I will never get an answer. "Concealed", like any word in any law or regulation is just a word that was created by a lawmaker or interpreted in a court of law and so the answer can always be avoided by mentioning case law in each and every state, town and jurisdiction. The best you can do is just look up the definition in your dictionary or thesaurus--"withdrawn or removed from observation; covered or kept out of sight; to prevent or avoid disclosing or divulging; hidden; obscured; shrouded, secreted; covert.
March 8th, 2011 08:38 AM
It's also a good idea to ask yourself:
"If I got in trouble with the law for any reason, would a reasonable juror consider my gun 'concealed'."
March 8th, 2011 08:52 AM
Welcome to the DC forum. You will enjoy it I am sure.
The laws vary from state to state on what they consider "concealed" so read carefully the law in your respective state. Sometimes there is so much gray area it's difficult to understand but that's how our lawmakers are and write. I always believed concealed ment out of sight but that's just me.
As someone suggested, try Gary Slider's hangunlaw.us site. There will be tons of useful information to glean not only from your state but all others as well.
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March 8th, 2011 09:25 AM
Section 790.06 (1), Florida Statutes, defines concealed weapons or firearms as those carried in a manner that conceals them from the ordinary sight of another person. This includes:
electronic weapons or devices
tear gas guns
I think this is about right in most jurisdictions. I know it is in Florida.
Last edited by Old School; March 8th, 2011 at 01:42 PM.
March 8th, 2011 11:11 AM
It varies from state to state. In Mississippi, a handgun is concealed if it is in a holster. In Tennessee, there is no legal definition of concealed.
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March 8th, 2011 11:24 AM
A lot of good information.
I never heard the term "Printing"
March 8th, 2011 11:30 AM
Excellent website about the laws in MASS! thanks!!!
Originally Posted by oakchas
March 8th, 2011 11:36 AM
Now here in Montana, if you are using a clipdraw on your firearm would cover it under concealed if worn IWB.
"that is wholly or partially covered by the clothing or wearing apparel of the person carrying or bearing the weapon"
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