This is a discussion on Extra mags within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by alnitak I am not a "self-appointed monitor of conversation"...and the high horse comment was not directed towards you but another poster. Having ...
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i carry spare magazines because a malfunctioned or empty weapon becomes an expensive rock.
One of the three deadly mindset failures I teach my CHL students is well exemplified with a statement like, "if I need more than (5, or 6, or 8 or...?) rounds, I'm going to die anyway." If one chooses, for whatever reason, not to carry spare mags or speedloaders or ammo, then the correct survival mindset should be, "If I run out of ammo, I'll run like hell, or I'll transition to a knife or other weapon, or I'll do whatever it takes to survive." I've yet to hear of anyone successfully using a statistic to defend himself in a lethal encounter.
As far as I'm concerned, the possibility of facing more than one lone bad guy is a real concern. When facing more than one assailant, that 5 shot snubby starts to feel woefully inadequate if I have to engage more than just one of them. Having a second gun and or spare reloads for any weapon(s) you carry seems to me to be a no brainer.
When the odds are one in a million or greater to even use your gun in the first place I would sure hate to die because I didn't have enough ammo to go around.
One of my favorite movie quotes is from Clint Eastwoods Unforgiven. When preparing for a gunfight two of Little Bill's Deputies have the following exchange:
(as Clyde is unloading and reloading his gun)
Fatty Rossiter: It was already loaded. Jesus, Clyde, you have three pistols and you only have one arm for Christ's sake.
Clyde: Well I just don't want to be killed for lack of shootin' back.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
I myself don't carry an extra mag. The way I see it it I have 2 CCW's and both are 7+1. Realistically 95% of us posting in this thread will never pull their pistol out, let alone fire it at someone. And for the 5% of us that MIGHT have to draw it, 98% of those situation the bad guy would run away at the first sight of a handgun pointed at his chest. So the odds of pulling your gun on someone are slim, and the odds of firing are slimmer, and the odds of firing a whole mag let alone 2 mags is almost 0. You'd have a better chance of getting the jackpot at a slotmachine. That's just my opinion though. My CCW's are a .45 and a 9mm so chances are a few rounds of either would would be more than enough.
I'm in the "very rarely carry an extra mag" camp. The 18 rounds I've got onboard give me a good feeling and the gun has been flawless in practice.
One of the neighborhoods in my city was rated the 4th most dangerous in the US. There are areas of the city that are crime zones, and after dark could be quite dicey. Should business take me around such places, might grab an extra mag.
So there's that.
The other thing is that as a citizen, if you're in a shooting situation, you are not required to "stand your ground," firing until any and all BGs are out of commission and apprehended. Police don't have that luxury, but you do. Now let's do some math: chances you will ever need to fire your weapon in self-defense? About zero.
Just pulling it out and pointing it will defuse most problem encounters - of which you will probably have about zero.
So the number of cases in which you will need to open fire are very small. They were small for James Lovell, the hero of that Subway shooting incident in Miami, and he did manage a reload (although he didn't need it). Not saying these odds are impossible. Just long.
In the number of conceivable scenarios in which you will need to open fire, one or two shots should do it. Per Armed Citizen reports, the Ayoob Files, the "It happened to me" column in Handgunner, and reports you see online and examples of real-life conflict on YouTube and such, you don't see average citizens needing to reload.
It's a "nice to have," but on a par with carrying a BUG. Maybe more urgent if you're carrying a low-capacity firearm. In any event, most likely, you squeeze off a shot or two, the BGs will be heading that-a-way, and you should be going this-a-way. Of all conceivable scenarios, the ones in which the threat will be relentlessly attacking you through a wall of bullets and not giving up are the "almost zero" subset of the "almost zero" odds mentioned above.
But if you're a process server, bail bondsman, something like that, and you live in the wrong part of Albuquerque, etc., different story.
"It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."
Counterweight more than anything.
I've found that in my line of work, my spare mag is useless after the first round unless I unload and clean it every day or two. Dust and grit gets in it and binds it up.
Hit my limit for speculation, the sky is falling, and gun owners fighting amongst themselves.
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!
Normally, I always carry only a spare mag (one on my gun and one as backup). Nonetheless, when I'm headed to a bad area of town or on a long road trip to a rural area, I tend to carry 2 spare mags and my S&W 442 snubbie as backup gun in my pocket or ankle holster. I think there is no such thing as carrying "too much ammo". I also keep stored under the back seat of my car 50 rounds of 9mm and 50 rounds of .40 S&W inside a nifty MTM ammo box. It is better to have a crap load of ammo and not needing it than running out of ammo in the middle of a SHTF situation.
"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous... If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for?" [Clint Smith - Thunder Ranch]
Glock 23 with 1 extra mag or 642 with two extra Speed Strips. Once you have fired you hope it is over. But if it isn't, you have singled yourself out as the primary target. Hate to die because of an empty gun.
Retired Marine, Retired School Teacher, Independent voter, Goldwater Conservative.
I always carry a spare mag for the same reason I carry a gun; I cant predict the future.
Glock 36, 30SF, 31, 32, 21 Gen4 - Carry guns
Ruger Mini-14 and Remington 870 by the bed both wearing Surefire lights.
Always carry a knife-they are handy to have
Always carry a reload-You probably won't need it but it is good insurance .
Always carry a light- To see in the dark