At work carry
This is a discussion on At work carry within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by MadMac
You said you were in Texas. Texas is unique among states as state law allows you to use deadly force to ...
April 14th, 2011 10:21 AM
I'm not sure if I am OK with it. I don't think anybody can make that decision until it's time to do so. Taking another person's life cannot be an easy decision to make. I'm pretty sure if my life or another life was in danger that I would be able to pull the trigger, but like you said property is different. I was just making a point. If it ever happens I'll find out. I know at the very least I would attempt to detain the offender until the LEOs arrived. If he continued to run I would probably let him go and remember everything I could to tell the LEOs.
Originally Posted by MadMac
April 14th, 2011 11:40 AM
Personally, I am not going to try to "detain" anyone. I am not legally allowed to detain a fellow citizen in NC. I am not a LEO, a LEO wannabe, or a superhero. Neither my CHP nor my handgun imbues me with police powers.
Originally Posted by 40khammer
Do you mean you would point a gun at someone to "detain" them? If I try to detain someone, I could escalate the situation once the dimwitted crook started to realize I had no police powers. Perhaps he'll decide to assault me knowing I am not authorized to shoot him to prevent his escape. Maybe he'll just run away. Then what?
I happened to catch an episode of that inane Dog the Bounty Hunter show, and saw his unarmed daughter "catch" a fugitive running out the back door of some housing complex. She radioed her dad, and he told her to detain him. She started barking orders at him to remain there, to sit down, etc. You could see it dawn on the stupid guy that here was this mousy girl with no weapon and no police powers trying to detain him by force of will. Suddenly he smiled, then just ran way with her screeching at him as he ran off.
If he started to run you'd "probably let him go"? Really? What else would you do? Shoot him in the back as he was running away from you? How is that going to look in front of a jury? ...and all of this mess so you can protect someone else's insured big-screen TV?
I think you'd be well-advised to think these scenarios through.
Man, you guys scare me.
April 14th, 2011 12:50 PM
On the bright side, it is good that people who haven't thought all of these things through can come here and get some solid advice. Whether a person decides to take that information and apply it, is another story. Having the different views presented is the first step towards being a responsible gun owner, and even more so, a responsible carrier.
April 14th, 2011 01:15 PM
These types of discussions always start out innocent enough and almost always end up with the "taking someones life" and "what if this and what if that"....
The gentleman's question was
So at this point I'm remembering that concealed means concealed!
I've recently put a ruger lcp on layaway at budsgunshop.com and will be carrying that in a pocket holster.
And good ideas for concealment holsters for that particular weapon?
To the original question. My vote would be for the smartcarry option too. Also, I'll agree with the gents that suggested start looking for a better area to work if at all possible. What ever you chose just remember, regardless, you only have one life, guard it with vigor and good judgement and you'll be just fine... And for the record. I for one don't think that any self respecting, law abiding, gun toting American will go outa there way to kill anyone unless they absolutely have to. If I'm wrong, my bad....
OP, Take care form a fellow Atlanta gun toting good guy.
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." — Thomas Jefferson
April 14th, 2011 01:37 PM
10-4 on the "Remora"
I carry a .38 snubby revolver in a Remora (appendix carry) it never prints, never moves, is always handy and the Remora has a lifetime guarantee!
April 20th, 2011 04:08 AM
Quit and carry or don't carry and work there. My advice is not to carry. You agreed to work there and follow there rules. To do so otherwise is dishonest.
April 20th, 2011 04:15 AM
i vote carry and work, 8 bucks an hour isn't worth not carrying. Or get a job like mine and get paid to carry. By the way with IWB, been there, done that, got the MWAG call, get a desantis pocket holster and call it a day, anyone asks its your wallet
"The value you put on the lost will be determined by the sacrifice you are willing to make to seek them until they are found."
April 20th, 2011 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by TN_Mike
I didn't know that :)
In my best Kramer voice: "You let the cat rightttt out of the bagggggg!"
I know it's easier said than done but try and find a new job and carry any way you can without anyone knowing. Honestly the company has the right to tell you no but Theirs no way Kroger is ever going to tell me I can't protect myself.
If taking the bus and working there are your only options than decide what's more important, your life or your job. If it were me I would pocket carry a small J-frame and never tell a soul. If you get fired so be it I'm sure theres other stores you could work at.
Vermont does not issue Permit/Licenses to Carry a Concealed firearm. Vermont allows anyone
who can legally own a firearm to carry it concealed without a permit of any kind.
April 20th, 2011 06:54 PM
Yes, however, think about this scenario:
Originally Posted by n3ss
You are "discovered" and reported to management. You are escorted to their office and told you are fired for a major violation of company policy.
(they can do it). You are also told to leave the premisis, immediately. You argue with them. Now it becomes "armed trespassing"
In Florida, this can result in a 3 year prison sentence.
I was the assistant safety guy at a recent job. My boss was also a gun owner. We had to conform to corporate rules, which were done at HQ in NY city. Our shop was also in a bad section of town. However, we also did not want to loose our jobs over standing up for our rights.
April 21st, 2011 07:59 AM
Not to mention explaining to future employers and the people at the unemployment office that you felt the need to carry a gun even though you were told not to. When they ask why you were fired, are you willing to tell them I brought my handgun to work after I was told not to?
Originally Posted by mastercapt
Not to mention it is dishonest and wrong to lie to people.
April 21st, 2011 08:01 AM
If it is ony $8.00 an hour, why not find another job and leave the measly pay behind? Or become a cop like you, but that may take awhile and when they do the background check as well as polygraph you can explain to them that you felt the need to break the rules at your previous job and carry firearms into places you were told not to. I am sure that will go over well at the oral board.
Originally Posted by INccwchris
April 21st, 2011 08:43 AM
Really?? I suspect you are already on their radar. It is virtually impossible to send a truly anonymous e-mail.
Originally Posted by thehustleman
I would be honest and not carry. Get another job if you don't like the restrictions this one places on you but follow the rules while there.
"I've noticed that everyone that is pro-abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
You are only paranoid until you are right - then you are a visionary.
April 21st, 2011 09:25 PM
tough choices but remember...
If that's a condition of employment and you accept the check then you've agreed and no matter how some will slice it and dice it, that's you're word. Integrity demands that you follow company policy or get another job. Some will make an emotional plea about rights and such but remember, you're on private property and they have the right to set the rules. It's not one bit different than you in your own home.
Next, if you don't care about the first point, how bad will it hurt if you get fired? No unemployment under that situation and how do you explain your termination when trying to get the next job? You could lie about it but there we go again.
And the poster who mentioned the "why" we carry and knowing the laws and limits is on to something. If you pull that gun (especially if you use it), there's a very high probability that it will change the direction of your life and it may affect the ones who are closest to you. Be sure you have a mind set as to why you're carrying, why and when you'd be inclined to pull it and for God's sake, if you pull it you'd better already have made up your mind about using it.
I do understand your situation. I'm in a similar situation.
April 23rd, 2011 07:00 PM
Great post. I really cringe when I hear people say that they will check something out because they have a gun. The advice you gave is spot on and I really hope that the op takes it to heart.
Originally Posted by MadMac
My company does not have a weapons policy and I have never been told I could or could not carry. Pocket carry is really a great option though. Just today I was using my friend's LCP in a desantis pocket holster. From draw to fire is really pretty quick and to be honest, I ordered the same package for myself an hour ago.
Good luck and be careful and AWARE!!!
To whom much is given, much is required. Luke 12:48
April 24th, 2011 04:11 PM
I use a smart carry every day and love it. I have to wear a shirt and tie at work but it's too hot to wear a jacket. I also use this with casual wear. I wear my pants about 2 inches larger than they should be and use suspenders. This gives me the room I'd need to present quickly. If you don't want to use suspenders, this is still the best way to conceal IMHO.
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