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This is a discussion on National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; This is the same crap that has been out since February, 18 th. . NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Here is my post in a previous thread of the ...

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    This is the same crap that has been out since February, 18 th.
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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    Here is my post in a previous thread of the same issue HERE;

    It didn't take that long for the wording in this ridiculous bill to scare the H E Double Hockey Sticks out of me;

    To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.

    Once it becomes a "US Code", who is going to regulate and legislate it?

    It isn't going to be your local Loyal order of Water Buffalo's , that's for sure.


    NO Thanks!

    Next up is this troubling bit of lingo;

    (3) The Congress has the power to pass legislation to protect against infringement of all rights protected under the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.



    If Congress has the "Power to pass legislation to protect against infringement" , you can bet somewhere along the line, some funny-boy in Congress will get the notion, that they have the "Power to pass legislation to un-protect against infringement"

    Again , NO Thanks!


    And further down the slippery-slope, we have this;

    (8) The Congress finds that preventing the lawful carrying of firearms by individuals who are traveling outside their home State interferes with the constitutional right of interstate travel, and harms interstate commerce.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Isn't that so special!???
    They are finally so concerned about us couple million in this country that carry, that they REALLLLY have our interests at heart!!
    WoW!!


    And now, as we traverse further down the Yellow Brick Road, this;

    (10) The Congress, therefore, should provide for national recognition, in States that issue to their own citizens licenses or permits to carry concealed handguns, of other State permits or licenses to carry concealed handguns.

    Here we go again, Congress, providing for something.
    Where on this 3rd. rock have you ever seen Congress provide for something, and then let that something REGULATE ITSELF???

    Again I say, NAY NAY!


    Sorry, but its too close to the edge of the Orwellian Abyss for me.




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    Sailor man, remember after 9/11 when there was a push for Government ID's? People were all up in arms over it. Why should US Citizens need to have a Gov't Issue ID?

    Here is part of the bill: "Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, related to the carrying or transportation of firearms, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that--"

    I am really uneasy about the "government-issued photographic identification" language. It doesn't say a State-issued ID.....

    I'm just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor man View Post
    Do you drive in another state? Same thing It is not a federal permit If you say no then never drive in your neighboring state.
    First off, stop calling names. That's one of the fastest way to get banned here. Second, driving is a privilege not a RIGHT enumerated in the US Constitution. Thirdly, driving also is part of commerce between the states and as such the Federal Government is involved.

    Maybe it is you who does not understand fully what all this entails.

    Quote Originally Posted by mill419 View Post
    Sailor man, remember after 9/11 when there was a push for Government ID's? People were all up in arms over it. Why should US Citizens need to have a Gov't Issue ID?

    Here is part of the bill: "Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, related to the carrying or transportation of firearms, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that--"

    I am really uneasy about the "government-issued photographic identification" language. It doesn't say a State-issued ID.....

    I'm just sayin'.
    Very good point. And it helps make mine. There will be something in this that either allows Obama to restrict the carrying of guns or takes steps toward a government ID or something else he wants.
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    mil419: Nor does it say "federal government issued"

    There are many levels of government - Federal, State, county, tribal, municipal... that can issue valid photo IDs.
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    If carrying a firearm is a right as some people state and they wittingly post we have the second ammendment for that try carrying in NJ or MD and go up to a policeman and tell him you are carrying and let me know how 3 to 5 years in prison feels like.
    National reciprocity will be the same as a drivers license I just went to Arkansas from Pa. What a pain in the butt to have to unload and lock box ammo separate from the weapon for 12 lousy miles in Md. Pan permit good in virg. Tenn

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    Pa. Permit good in virg. Tenn. And ark. Loved the reference to post 911 and govt ids has nothing to do with this They are talking about your photo permit in the bill hb 822

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdprof View Post
    mil419: Nor does it say "federal government issued"

    There are many levels of government - Federal, State, county, tribal, municipal... that can issue valid photo IDs.
    Indeed, there are many levels of "valid" photo ID's however I don't think all states are going to recognize a city bus pass.
    Maybe in committee they'll do away with the photo ID requirement so long as you are willing to register your firearm nationally and have an RFID chip attached to it.
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    One last post the worst that could happen in states like Nj And Md they would cancel their permits entirely. (very few) and the reciprocity would not be legal WHO CARES I cannot carry there anyway with my Pa permit now nothing to lose everything to gain. Those that cry the Feds will be involved are probably the same who sit in line and will not get EZpass because BIG brother will know where they are.

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    Sailor man,

    The language references "a government issued photo identification" AND "a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun". Why wouldn't the language just state you needed a valid CWP?

    On a different note, are there currently any states that issue CWP/CPL's to people without the state seeing a photo ID and doing a background check?
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    Not bus permit Photo carry permit Every carry permit has a photo. Why do you try to twist things?Do bus permits have photo I work in Nj for transportation and we do not have photos on ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor man View Post
    Not bus permit Photo carry permit Every carry permit has a photo. Why do you try to twist things?Do bus permits have photo I work in Nj for transportation and we do not have photos on ours.
    Wrong again Sailorman. My Indiana permit does NOT have my photo on it. It is simply a slip of paper with my info and my signature. No photo. It isn't even laminated. the letter that comes with it suggests you do that yourself as soon as you sign it. There are still places that issue permits with no photo.
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    We just had this same discussion a couple of weeks ago in a different thread. So, again, I support National Reciprocity and I don't much care how we get there. A simple law such as the one in MO stating that states must accept all CHLs issued by government entities is fine with me.

    No state's rights person here, I'd repeal the 10ths. "One Nation Indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

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    Oh, I support national reciprocity, but I "DO" care how we get there. Big brother seems to stick his nose into everything these days, and then he messes it up.
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    Our right to carry has already been decided. We just need them to recognize that right. We dont need another law giving us rights we already have. The SC needs to let them know (at the fed, state and local levels) what the 2nd amendment says and then they need to comply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor man View Post
    If carrying a firearm is a right as some people state and they wittingly post we have the second ammendment for that try carrying in NJ or MD and go up to a policeman and tell him you are carrying and let me know how 3 to 5 years in prison feels like.
    National reciprocity will be the same as a drivers license I just went to Arkansas from Pa. What a pain in the butt to have to unload and lock box ammo separate from the weapon for 12 lousy miles in Md. Pan permit good in virg. Tenn
    The people of the states vote their politicians into office. If you don't like anti-gun laws, vote people into office who aren't anti-gun and move to a pro-gun state. And ever notice it is always the blue states that have the anti-gun laws? Coinsidence? The socialists don't want us to be able to fight back.

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