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    Which is exactly why I'm behind the current OC bill 100%! I want to be able to cover my firearm, not to have to bury it under garments where it has to be dug out when needed. Discreet OC I prefer to call it.
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    Good law!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    Good law!

    We'll see when it's tested.
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    In it's original format, that bill would have allowed open carry...period. It would also have allowed campus carry. But it got revised along the way to what we have now. It's still a step in the right direction, but I hope that Greg Evers (the Bill's original sponsor) will try again next session.

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    Sure it is better than nothing, but I am a disappointed. Lets wait and see how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    Good law!
    Yeah it's nice to have but it's a freaking joke when the original bill was supposed to have real OC and campus carry.

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    SB 234 passed by a large majority and awaits the governor's signature. You can read thw whole text here:

    Senate Bill 0234 (2011) - The Florida Senate

    Here's an excerpt:

    An act relating to firearms; amending s. 790.053,
    3 F.S.; providing that a person who is licensed to carry
    4 a concealed firearm is not in violation of law if the
    5 firearm is briefly and openly displayed under certain
    6 circumstances;
    amending s. 790.06, F.S.; allowing the
    7 Division of Licensing of the Department of Agriculture
    8 and Consumer Services to take fingerprints from
    9 concealed carry license applicants; providing that a
    10 person may not openly carry a weapon or firearm or
    11 carry a concealed weapon or firearm into specified
    12 locations; providing that concealed carry licensees
    13 shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a
    14 firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes
    ; providing
    15 that a provision limiting the scope of a license to
    16 carry a concealed weapon or firearm does not modify
    17 certain exceptions to prohibited acts with respect to
    18 a person’s right to keep and bear arms in motor
    19 vehicles for certain purposes
    ; repealing s. 790.28,
    20 F.S., relating to the purchase of rifles and shotguns
    21 in contiguous states; amending s. 790.065, F.S.;
    22 providing that specified provisions do not apply to
    23 certain firearms transactions by a resident of this
    24 state
    ; providing an effective date.

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    Can anyone tell me when it will be on the Governors desk for him to sign?

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcsnpr View Post
    Can anyone tell me when it will be on the Governors desk for him to sign?

    Thank you.
    Wondering the same thing.

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    http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill...illText/er/PDF

    -- Excerpt --
    33 It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to
    34 carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who
    35 is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly
    36 and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another
    37 person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an
    38 angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
    -- end of excerpt --


    That can mean whatever, because you can be sure that if you print or unintentionally display the firearm and an anti see it, there is a big possibility that he/she will say that you did it in a threatening manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill...illText/er/PDF

    -- Excerpt --
    33 It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to
    34 carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who
    35 is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly
    36 and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another
    37 person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an
    38 angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
    -- end of excerpt --


    That can mean whatever, because you can be sure that if you print or unintentionally display the firearm and an anti see it, there is a big possibility that he/she will say that you did it in a threatening manner.
    I know what you're saying but realistically that anti scenario could occur with open carry as well. As far as printing is concerned, it's not illegal but again, I get where you're coming from. I do look forward to OC in Florida and sheeple not freaking at the sight of a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edlex View Post
    I know what you're saying but realistically that anti scenario could occur with open carry as well. As far as printing is concerned, it's not illegal but again, I get where you're coming from. I do look forward to OC in Florida and sheeple not freaking at the sight of a gun.
    I am aware that in FL there is not law against printing, that is exactly the reason because I said it; even if not illegal the antis will still try to use it.
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    What is this (606859)?

    Amendment
    Bill No. CS/CS/HB 517
    Amendment No. 606859

    1 Representative Patronis offered the following:
    2
    3 Amendment (with title amendment)
    4 Remove line 99 and insert:
    5 (d) Nothing in this subsection would preclude a state
    6 legislator, county commissioner, school board member, state
    7 attorney, public defender, or county constitutional officer who
    8 holds a license pursuant to this section from carrying a
    9 concealed weapon in a meeting of the governing body of which he
    10 or she is a member.
    11 (e) Any person who knowingly and willfully violates any
    12


    Line 99, h0517c2:

    99 (d) Any person who knowingly and willfully violates any
    100 provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second
    101 degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.


    Bill History: House Bill 0517 (2011) - The Florida Senate
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    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill...illText/er/PDF

    -- Excerpt --
    33 It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to
    34 carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who
    35 is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly
    36 and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another
    37 person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an
    38 angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
    -- end of excerpt --


    That can mean whatever, because you can be sure that if you print or unintentionally display the firearm and an anti see it, there is a big possibility that he/she will say that you did it in a threatening manner.
    The "intent" is entirely upon the carrier. An LEO who would pursue charges without seeing or having supporting evidence that the person with the gun intentionally showed the firearm in a threatening manner would be going out on on a limb with this statute. Don't be so paranoid. I suppose if the statute said a license holder could do anything he wanted except pull the trigger, you'd still be overly concerned.

    I'm wondering how one would "print" in a threatening manner.

    The statute does exactly what it's intended to do, protect the CWFL holder from the "Oh my God! That man has a gun under his shirt!" crowd if the wind blows, he bends over, reaches up, whatever, and this gun is inadvertantly exposed.
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