POLL - Do you carry: With a round chambered - No round in chamber

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    Quote Originally Posted by baren View Post
    No, 2-3 seconds to chamber allows one to "think" about their situation. After the trigger is pulled you may of wished for a few second to re-consider. Military training is to treat any weapon as being loaded, but only Lock&Load when authorized or only when the situation requires it. Accidental discharges happens when a round is chambered or a mechanical safe fails. IMHO, AD happens more often then a armed citizen who didn't get the first round down range. The last Safety any gun owner has is his brains and solid consistent training.
    A month ago, an airman waiting in the Bagram PAX terminal had an AD. Shot another Airman in the leg next to him. In the old days, you had to clear your weapon when entering certian building like the DFAC, PX, etc. Now it is only if you drive through the ECP's to get on post. After that there is are no checks and balances in place. It is sad situation.
    I guess you haven't read this entire thread or associated threads on this topic. :fail: First, you assume you have 2-3 secs to react. If you are carrying for personal defense (the purpose of this board) your actions are defensive in nature...thus, reactive. You carry how you are comfortable...you carry how the gun was designed to be carried. It's a totally different world if you're on FOB or on a patrol for Uncle.

    If you work for Uncle, you go by his ROE.

    Military rules for carrying are different for a reason...and don't always translate into common sense. 17 yrs of experience has shown me that...thus, I carry loaded (how the gun is designed).

    Now, that aside, if it comes down to shoot/don't shoot...that speaks to training. If I'm going to decide to shoot someone, I'll use those 2-3 secs to decide with a loaded gun in my hand, not fumbling with a slide or a safety.

    BTW...in the "old days", there were more NDs because people were clearing their weapon everywhere they went. Now they treat people more like adults--and despite that, stupid people do stupid things, like NOT keeping their weapon holstered and booger hook off the bang switch. Personally, I hated clearing my weapon...as I mentioned, I carried loaded all the time at home, but deployed I have to clear it?
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    Having a semi auto pistol with no round in the chamber is not having a weapon ready for use. My S&W is always carried with one in the pipe.

    You may as well just carry a hammer because that is essentially what you have with no round chambered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baren View Post
    No, 2-3 seconds to chamber allows one to "think" about their situation. After the trigger is pulled you may of wished for a few second to re-consider. Military training is to treat any weapon as being loaded, but only Lock&Load when authorized or only when the situation requires it. Accidental discharges happens when a round is chambered or a mechanical safe fails. IMHO, AD happens more often then a armed citizen who didn't get the first round down range. The last Safety any gun owner has is his brains and solid consistent training.
    A month ago, an airman waiting in the Bagram PAX terminal had an AD. Shot another Airman in the leg next to him. In the old days, you had to clear your weapon when entering certian building like the DFAC, PX, etc. Now it is only if you drive through the ECP's to get on post. After that there is are no checks and balances in place. It is sad situation.
    Like you, prior military training led me to think that way. It took awhile to reeducate myself that the time to "think" about what I was doing was before I pulled the trigger rather than while I was trying to rack the slide in an emergency situation.

    Negligent discharges are another matter entirely. You can't make a firearm safe enough that somebody can't figure out how to do something stupid with it.
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    When I carry my semi-auto, chambered.
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    If you followed the #1 rule of gun safety...every firearm is ALWAYS loaded, I would assume that would mean to treat it as though a round was in the chamber. Other wise it isn't loaded, it is ready to be loaded. If you treat it as if its loaded, then there's no harm in it being loaded.

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    SIGguy229,
    I was under the assumption that this thread was on the Poll Question - Do you carry: With a round chambered - No round in chamber? The OP also requested, after answering, please feel free to expound upon your choice …
    Obviously, you don’t agree with my choice nor rational on the Round Chambered - No Round Chamber, I respect your choice on Round Chamber. My point was basic firearm safety not only for one’s self but others around you when the situation doesn’t require +1. “From 1993 to 2002,1 data from the BLS Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries (CFOI) show that 175 workers were killed on the job as the result of an accidental gunshot wound.” I guess after 2002, the Bureau of Labor Statistic no longer clearly tracks the numbers. This is only incidents that occur in the Workplace, not Homes and in Public in general. I have heard, but I can’t confirm the number of ND by LEO on a yearly basis is notable. So, I can learn from examples then being an example of ND.
    When I’m home, I CC and have for a few years. I also know that my situation awareness skill sets are quite good. Being in a rural environment, I don’t have a known bad neighborhood; I don’t normally go into shady parts of the town nor work in questionable area. So, I don’t need to carry with one chambered. To me this is where your situational awareness comes into action, if one has any.
    Unless the situation appears to start changing then I will chamber a round. I trust myself that I know that I will have 2-3 seconds to chamber a round, if the need arises based on the situation. But, the situation doesn’t require it, I will heed to safety of not having a round chambered.
    I completely understand that LEO would carry +1 while on duty. Heck, most departments have it in their policies to carry +1. Their job exposes them daily to immediate threatening situations those are a no brainers. But, if am walking into my local supermarket for milk and no perceived BGs lurk outside do I really need +1?
    I carry a total of 36 rounds, and I can’t recall the last time a CC shooting involved even close to that many rounds fired. Not having that one extra round in chamber will not make difference. One AD can change a person’s life in a bad way.
    I appreciate your 17 years of service for your country, but firearm safety is still common sense.
    “Now, that aside, if it comes down to shoot/don't shoot...that speaks to training. If I'm going to decide to shoot someone, I'll use those 2-3 secs to decide with a loaded gun in my hand, not fumbling with a slide or a safety.”
    Again the Poll question was do you “Carry” chambered or not? It wasn’t about shoot/don’t shoot or staring down the sight at a BG. I think you went beyond the poll question to question my choice. So, according to your statement above, you carry your chambered weapon with the Safety off? I don’t believe that for a minute. But, your statement about the “Old Days” it might be your mentality? So, your statement is irrationally based to discredit my choice on the Poll question for this thread.

    “BTW...in the "old days", there were more NDs because people were clearing their weapon everywhere they went.”
    In the “Old Days” when you were on base you were not to have your weapon hot. That only makes sense, since you had to clear all weapons entering the Base. This actually reflects the need for clearing weapons around the base facilities where large numbers of soldiers gather. Is it a pain in the ass? Yes, is it done for safety of others? Yes it is for common sense. Somehow those “adult” soldier’s weapons magically became hot again. Because some of these soldiers thought the firearm safety rules were stupid and were beneath them and not to mention to be “cool” violate orders because their knew better mentality. You may think today’s military are treated like adults, rather than Soldiers. That is very true, most are Fobbits. I have seen at least 4 times on this base where a soldiers walking along Disney Drive. Their weapon hanging off their back bouncing around and “pop” the loaded magazine drops from their weapon. The NCO and Officer that were either walking with the soldier or witnessed incident said nothing. The number of M14/M4 and M9 that were found unsecured and are turned into the MP station every year is disgusting, especially with Local / Foreign nationals moving around the base nearly without an active escort. Thank God the military finally woke up, and everyone is treated like Adults rather than Soldiers. This relieves so much pressure from the NCO Corps too. Now, they have time for College or Salsa/Country/HipHop/Reggae/Swing/ Texas Hold’em nights at the 4-Corners.
    But it is the NCO and Officers that have to answer to the family of injured soldier(s) that it could have been avoid if a tried and true preventive measures were still practiced and enforced by the NCO and Officers in Bagram. The Army Safety Office (Army-wide) reported ND fatalities for 2011 (5), 2010 (2), 2009 (2). That is 9 sad and un-necessary Letters to write to loved ones. They don’t even list the non-fatal ND’s numbers. Those are probably tracked by number of Article 15’s given for ND’s. This was just the Army’s count, which doesn’t include the other Services. IMHO it boils down discipline, respect and maturity in firearm safety.
    I will not condemn you on how or your justification to carry chambered. Hopefully you man up to the consequences if a ND happens to you. I don’t have any delusions that my equipment or I are infallible. If I get to the point in life that I feel that I have to have one chambered in my rural home, sitting on the crapper. It would be time to move or seek medical advice for PTSD and turn-in my CCW permit. I might eventually harm myself or an innocent due to my over inflated pride.

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    Gene83,
    I understand your point of view. I feel that it is a very personal choice of responsiblity, based on the individuals training, situational Awareness, available equipment and lessons learn in the Past. I think the odds are in favor of a NG occuring then me shooting a BG 2-3 seconds faster when carrying on a daily basis, IF I carried +1.
    As the majority in this thread as stated, one should treat all firearms as being loaded which is very true. Would it be honest to say most ND occur when a firearm is in a +1 condition?
    If truth be told, how many CC/OC citizens has had a ND before a situation has ever, or if ever occurred dealing with a BG?
    I beleive that no matter how careful a person claims they can be, they are still human, safetes can malfunction and S**t happens. I have no doubt that those person involved in the 175 ND fatalites, not even counting the "just' wounded or property damage cases probably regret to this day that they were carrying +1. As I said earlier, it is a very personal choice to do so, becuase it could affect others.
    I can tell you for a fact that my close friends know that they never have to worry about thier families when am around them of an ND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45super View Post
    Never forget the three zones of concealed carry: before, during, and after.

    Regarding the “after”…

    I would NEVER carry a Glock with a round in the chamber (Condition Zero)—which is your only choice if you chamber a round (which is why I NEVER carry a Glock). The Glock owner’s manual specifically warns against doing this for civilians (they call it, "ready to fire") and therefore the Glock is NOT courtroom (civil) safe should you be sued for wrongful death or excessive use of force, to name but two of far too many possibilities.

    I also NEVER do “Israeli Carry” (Condition 3—fully magazine, empty chamber) which is why I carry my Kahr CM9 "hot". I haven’t found any gotchas in their manual regarding Condition Zero carry (and the longer trigger pull is much less of a legal liability IMHO).

    Ref: Glock Manual, p. 15, bottom left (in red):
    CAUTION:
    DO NOT CARRY THE PISTOL IN THE READY TO FIRE CONDITION. THIS IS NOT THE RECOMMENDED SAFE CARRYING METHOD FOR CIVILIAN USE.

    And no, your opinion of what Glock means by this does NOT count. That's up to your jury to decide.

    By that logic there are about 75-80% of Law Enforcement Officers nationwide carrying Glocks who are walking wrongful death cases if they need to use their weapon with lethal force. I dont see it.

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    Always chambered and always ready to fire. I want every second of Surprise and Stealth i can get. I want every single ounce of advantage available. Draw,Rack, then Chamber seems to give away both advantages. My firearm is double action so unless someone pulls the trigger it will not go bang.... even if it is dropped it will not go bang...Do what it takes to learn the proper way of carrying a chambered round in your firearm.

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    Hang on bad guy let me draw and rack my to chamber a round.....always always have that weapon chambered if you are carrying....it is up to us as the ccw permit holder to ensure the safety of that loaded=chambered weapon.

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    Is there any other way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdpG19 View Post
    Is there any other way?
    Obviously, since this thread just keeps going and going and going.
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    No round in the chamber. Because my gun is on the nightstand at the moment. :)

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    Chambered.

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    Always chambered.

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