Riverboat Casinos in KC, MO

Riverboat Casinos in KC, MO

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    Riverboat Casinos in KC, MO

    Are there any restrictions or off-limit areas at the casinos in KC, MO?

    Reading the confusingly written MO CCW laws with the 17 listed areas and then the second paragraph that says all those areas are OK with a CCW. It sounds like some of the typical legalese. So I can't see any area off-limits by law unless I'm missing something.

    For the life of me I can't understand why it's call a Riverboat, doesn't look like it can go up and down the river.


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    The casino's are semi-permanent structures which are essentially never intended to go up and down the river. However, technically speaking, in accordance with the law, the must maintain the technical capability to move freely detached from the pier, and have a working engine. It is also my understanding, that according to the letter of the law, they must maintain a crew capable of operating it as a vessel, including a Captain. However, take all that for what it's worth. I've only been to the casinos a handful of times and that is just what I remember way back when the casino laws were drafted.

    Regarding concealed carry. It is my understanding that just like the other signage laws, the most they can do is ask you to leave if you are caught with a concealed weapon. If you fail to leave when asked, you can be fined $100 for the first offense. The last one I visited, there were no metal detectors and no one was being searched. However, casinos are posted premises.

    People have been robbed and even killed at KCMO casinos in the parking structure when they leave the casino and on their way to their car. Which is why one would assume it would be the most vulnerable period for robbery attempts. When you leave and can be presumed to have a wad of cash in your pockets. It kind of makes a case for being allowed to carry concealed within the casino for no other reason than to have a means to protect yourself when on your way to your car.

    Inside the casino, there are the regular security guards employed by the casino, however, there are also plain clothes Missouri State Troopers on site and roaming the casino, per regulations in the state law regarding riverboat casinos. Casino duty for the State Troopers among the rank and file is usually considered to be punishment duty when they are assigned to the boats. However, I do know a couple of Troopers who said they enjoy the duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    The casino's are semi-permanent structures which are essentially never intended to go up and down the river. However, technically speaking, in accordance with the law, the must maintain the technical capability to move freely detached from the pier, and have a working engine. It is also my understanding, that according to the letter of the law, they must maintain a crew capable of operating it as a vessel, including a Captain. However, take all that for what it's worth. I've only been to the casinos a handful of times and that is just what I remember way back when the casino laws were drafted.

    Regarding concealed carry. It is my understanding that just like the other signage laws, the most they can do is ask you to leave if you are caught with a concealed weapon. If you fail to leave when asked, you can be fined $100 for the first offense. The last one I visited, there were no metal detectors and no one was being searched. However, casinos are posted premises.

    People have been robbed and even killed at KCMO casinos in the parking structure when they leave the casino and on their way to their car. Which is why one would assume it would be the most vulnerable period for robbery attempts. When you leave and can be presumed to have a wad of cash in your pockets. It kind of makes a case for being allowed to carry concealed within the casino for no other reason than to have a means to protect yourself when on your way to your car.

    Inside the casino, there are the regular security guards employed by the casino, however, there are also plain clothes Missouri State Troopers on site and roaming the casino, per regulations in the state law regarding riverboat casinos. Casino duty for the State Troopers among the rank and file is usually considered to be punishment duty when they are assigned to the boats. However, I do know a couple of Troopers who said they enjoy the duty.
    i have never had this problem, most of the time my pockets are empty when i'm leaving

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    They must also float on river water. I know of one that is several miles from the MO river but the "owners" dug a channel so as to bring water from the river to the boat!

    As for No Carry; thought the boats were like Pro sports automatic No Carry.

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    You cannot legally CC in a casino in the state of MO.

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    So what's the answer. I have 2 and 2 as the count.

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    Did you read the second paragraph of the law I keep finding for MO?

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    In the MO law I found it is trespass if you fail to leave when ask and if they must call a LEO to make you leave it's a $100 dollar fine. Is this correct?

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    Its not a matter of whether or not they can ask you to leave. It's one of the few areas in Missouri that you cannot legally carry a concealed weapon. It's spelled out in chapter 571.107 of the Missouri statutes. The title of this section is "Endorsement does not authorize concealed firearms, where--penalty for violation". Apparently their site is offline at the moment or I would check the copy I have in front of me.

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    Missouri effectively has no criminally enforced off-limits locations with the exception of buses which are covered in a separate law and CCW is not an exemption. Federal off-limits still applies. Many people say that something listed in 1-17 are off limits, but the result of carrying there is the result of carrying anywhere: If the people in charge ask you to leave, you must. There are no criminal penalties; it simply states that you may be removed from the premises.

    I've been to a number of those casinos, but it was before my permit. If I were to go now, I personally would carry. However, I would probably take my little LCP and conceal it well. I'm sure they would have people looking for it and I wouldn't want to get tossed. It would ruin my fun and irritate whomever I went with. I also don't drink.


    571.107
    1. Endorsement does not authorize concealed firearms, where:

    (12) Any riverboat gambling operation accessible by the public without the consent of the owner or manager pursuant to rules promulgated by the gaming commission. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a riverboat gambling operation shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

    2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her endorsement to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry endorsement for a period of three years.

    578.305.
    4. Any passenger who boards a bus with a dangerous or deadly weapon or other means capable of inflicting serious bodily injury concealed upon his person or effects is guilty of the felony of "possession and concealment of a dangerous or deadly weapon" upon a bus. Possession and concealment of a dangerous and deadly weapon by a passenger upon a bus shall be a class C felony. The provisions of this subsection shall not apply to duly elected or appointed law enforcement officers or commercial security personnel who are in possession of weapons used within the course and scope of their employment; nor shall the provisions of this subsection apply to persons who are in possession of weapons or other means of inflicting serious bodily injury with the consent of the owner of such bus, or his agent, or the lessee or bailee of such bus.
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    Thank you MountainPacker for taking the time to post the relevant portions of the Missouri Statute. I should have taken the time to do that myself in my post.

    Like I pointed out in my post, the place you really need access to your gun is when you leave the casino, while going to your parked car. People have been robbed and killed in the casino parking structures in KC. If your gun is locked up in your car, and you are robbed before you even reach your car, it's not doing you much good at it's current location.

    Security is pretty tight on the inside of the casino, but at 3 or 4 am on your way to the parking lot is where you're vulnerable. And the bad guys know it.

    Going into the casino, there are no metal detectors and no pat downs. So a ccw holder carrying a gun would only be asked to leave if they were discovered.
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    Last time wife and I went we were wanded by security I had allready established I was carrying, they allowed me to check my gun at gaurd station and retreive it on way out it was very profesional and painless. Dan

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    What casino were you wanded at? Neither Ameristar or Harrah's in St.Louis/Kansas City wands and Lumiere in downtown St. Louis does not wand.

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    I don't really want to hijack this thread, but I don't see a need to start a new one either since we are talking about the finer points of MO law.

    We are heading go MO for a week the end of this month. We will be staying outside of Branson and doing most of our stuff away from the main area of Branson. Anyway, the way I am reading the MO statutes (which make no sense to me) is that they have the list of 17 places that you can't go with a concealed handgun.

    Then a bit farther down in the rules is says to ignore those 17 places that you can't carry because it is not a criminal offense. What the heck. Then it says if you do get caught and are asked to leave and don't you get fined 100 bucks and then if you get caught again and are asked to leave again and don't then you can get fined 200 bucks and they can suspend your license.

    Am I reading this correctly? That the only places that are prohibited in MO are places that are prohibited under Federal Law? I don't plan on using a bus, so we can skip that, as I understand it is illegal.

    If I am right on my understanding, I will plan on carrying the whole time I am there. Is there anything that I need to be aware of in the Branson, Silverdollar City, Table Rock Lake area where I would be outed, or they would want to search me or my family when we are there.

    Thanks for the info and heads up if there are such places.
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    Branson for the most part is gun friendly. The owners of Silver Dollar City spent money to try to stop concealed carry for MO around 2003 so I don't spend any money with them. I can't say if you will be searched or not but I understand SDC is posted. Like you mentioned busses and trains are off limits (felony) and you will be possibly be searched if you take the train ride into Arkansas. The majority of the shows and restaurants aren't posted so have a good time while visiting Branson.

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