Talk about ANTI

This is a discussion on Talk about ANTI within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206156,00.html Just ran across this article on Fox, of all places. I'm new at this discussion stuff (this is my first post here or anywhere ...

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    Talk about ANTI

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206156,00.html

    Just ran across this article on Fox, of all places. I'm new at this discussion stuff (this is my first post here or anywhere else) but this got my backsides up out of the chair and ready to speak loudly. I guess that, instead of just ranting about this, I'd like to first hear what some of you more experienced posters see in this and how you feel about it.

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    Considering who did the 'study' and where they were located, it doesn't surprise me. Sheeple that are ant-gun will come up with anything to discredit firearm owners.

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    Age group 18-22 ?
    Last time I checked the VAST majority of legal handgun owners had to be at least 21.. Much less carry them legally.. Geeez, what would have happened if they'd used a younger group say 14-18?? Or have shown them (either group) very explicid (sp) photos or movies of some very "exciting" girls. Do you think that MAYBE there would also have been some changes in their testie levels!! Hell, that would have got ME going and I'm 54..
    Like any other info, junk in, junk out!

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    Classic example of "junk science". And it's an old story besides. Fox must have needed some "filler".

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    I've been concerned about my testosterone level for years. No matter how often I practice the old testo level doesn't budge.

    This past week I used Frank's Hot Sauce to clean and lube my EDC. Sure enough the gun's testosterone level went up 100 times!

    I'll publish the complete study in the next issue of More Psychological Bullsh!t. Stay tuned.
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    I saw this study months ago but I don't remember where. Don't get upset over this one nobody will read it!
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    Now give them real guns, toy guns are just that, toys. By the way Welcome to the forum artill237and welcome from Eastern Idaho.
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    Hell, fondling my weapons probably DOES make my testosterone level go up!

    But it's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. At my age I need all the help I can get!

    Sort of reminds of a quote attributed to the Great Col. Jeff Cooper:

    Q: (obviously from some antidiot) "Doesn't violence beget more violence?"

    A: (by the Colonel) "I certainly hope so".

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    Every time I put a couple 100 rounds down the range I do need a smoke.
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    "Such findings raise many of the usual questions about whether the presence of guns in modern society contributes to violent behavior," Klinesmith and colleagues conclude. "Although our study is clearly far from definitive, its results suggest that guns may indeed increase aggressiveness partially via changes in the hormone testosterone."



    Spoken like a testosterone-challenged person. If the presupposition were true, then every guy in rut would be seen as "aggresive" and be a societal threat. Heaven help society that we should have horney eighteen to twenty-two year olds running around! I guess that is why this is the age group the military appeals to, and for good reason!

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    Then, again, move over Viagra!

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    wow 18 to 22 year old males (not men) will put hot sauce in someones drink when actaully ASKED to do it....are we surprised?

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    The first question I ask when seeing one of these is: Is this a misuse of authority? In the field of logic, which we use everyday often without knowing it, the misuse of authority is called a logical fallacy. We see it hundreds of times a day on television. Some Hollywood hunk or bimbo comes on to tell you about global warming. They will talk about the glaciers melting in Antarctica, but if you press them you will discover that they can neither spell Antarctica nor locate it on a map or globe. The Mayor of New York is going to tell us all about guns. Misuse of authority is when you use someone's testimony to prove something that is outside their area of competence.

    When I look at the so-called study the first thing I see is that the person doing the study really doesn't have an area of competence. She is a psychology student at Knox College in Galesburg, IL. Knox College is just that a college. When Ms Klinesmith finishes her studies at Knox she will graduate with a BS (Bachelor of Science degree) in psychology. Not a Ph.D. (doctor), not even an MS (Master of Science), no a 4 year degree. Knox College is not a university and offers no graduate degrees. So even if she had already graduated, the APA (American Psychological Association) would not recognize that she has any competence in psychology.

    The second thing that jumps out at me as a misuse of authority would be that the experiment is only related to psychology to a small extent. Studying and making expert pronouncements on testosterone levels come under the area of physiology not psychology.

    As an aside the article is published in Psychological Science published by the Association for Psychological Science (previously the American Psychological Society). This organization was started in 1988 and boasts over 15,000 members. I mentioned above that the APA (American Psychological Association) would not recognize that Ms Klinesmith has any area of competence. Who is the APA? APA, founded in 1892, is the world's largest association of psychologists with over 150,000 members. Why was the "study" published in Psychological Science rather than in Psychology Today from the APA? I can't know for sure, but it would appear that the reason is that the APA's peer review board would not accept it. It's quite likely the "study" was never sent to Psychology Today. The young lady's professors knew that it would not be accepted so they sent it to place they knew they could get it published.

    We have an old saying down here in the South that pretty much sums up the value of the study. We would say, "It's as useless as a pail under a bull." If that doesn't communicate to you send me a PM and I will explain it.
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    Man..... I couldn't have put it better myself. That is EXACTLY what I wanted to say. Ever considered a career in Intelligence Analysis?
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    Easy to understand why the testosterone level of guys aged 18 to 22 went up..... they were in a room with the gal doing the study, and she was probably a blonde !


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