SIGguy229 - Just FYI.
That would be because she had a problem & joined DefensiveCarry & then obviously did a forum search related to her specific problem.
Her search pulled up an older, defunct, thread & she had originally posted in there.
I sent her a private message and asked her to open up a new discussion thread all her own.
It would be quite normal for a person who finds themselves thrust into a dire and life changing firearm related situation to join a firearm related forum with the hope of getting answers, suggestions, or possible solutions to their problem.
Hopefully she will get some useful help here.
Originally Posted by SIGguy229
its human nature when there is a questionable moment--event, that we want to smooth it over; minimize it and hope it goes away. make nice. people who are basically good have difficulty accepting that the 'event' was intentionally malicious. they want to believe that it was a confluence of seemingly innocent items that came together to appear 'bad'; and that an excuse--though lame and left handed is sufficient for them to accept that it was indeed a innocent , though bad, event.
it takes multiple events for them to realize there is skulduggery afoot and by than it is already too late to make exact accusations cause time has passed and the players have shifted allegiances.
its hard to go back to the beginning yet that is what will work.
a legal team is required to scare the players straight. cause in the beginning they will hang together and it is these new lies that will drag the team down. there is a time and place for those we seem to loath. it is for her, now.
Fair enough....just thought it looked suspicious....
Lawyer up...its the only way you will get any possible resolution.
You should consult an attorney. If you do your research and contact some pro 2nd amendment organizations you might find an attorney that will pick it up pro bono because that is their fight/cause/passion.
* Complaint filed to the State Labor Board on the whole friggin thing.
* Complaint filed to EEO (Equal Employment Opport) .... include failure to advise of you of policies and time periods to file grievances...a NO NO with the EEO.
* Hit them with a request per the Freedom of Information Act for the copies of the appraisals, as well as copies of any termination papers, investigations or reports with your name on it... essentially, your HR file. They have to give it to you.... under the Freedom of Information Act (I believe it's 30 days).
They will act like they don't have to do it... demand it. They can't deny it. Google it for more info.
* I'ld hit them with a slander and defamation lawsuit, including specificially the Supervisor, the person who complained, her friend who works there, and the Supervisor's boss for failing to take appropriate action, and the hospital. You were "damaged", which is what any attorney wants to know, if they in anyway ... or anyone... communicated this to other people, employees and / or employers ...... which impacted your being hired by them, plus your loss of wages, etc. and so on.
I'm sure there are more, but that's where I would start.
I would also record all conversations without them knowing it ..... which can prove helpful later. If "one" person (YOU) agree to the conversation being recorded, it can be recorded, and in civil suits those recordings can be used (here at least). Hint hint (voice activated with a cord up to a 'button' or 'very small clip' mic, both work really well.
Attorney, attorney , attorney ! ! ! ! !
Your situation isn't really about you being a gun owner, having a CCP, or carrying a firearm. That may be the #1 reason they canned you, but they have documented it as you doing something wrong (administering a drug). The hospital's administration has fired you for that reason and it's going to be impossible for you to use the supervisor's actions to get your job back or use the false complaint as a defense to correct this issue because admin. is just going to deny that it was the issue.
You should have gone to see an attorney the day you were fired. Was the hospital's policy to not allow concealed carry? If so they have every right to release you from employment if you carried on their property. I don't think it's right to post property and keep honest people from carrying a licensed firearm, but it isn't my say, it's the hospital's choice and if you violated policy they can and will terminate your service.
I think they covered their bases pretty well and don't see how you will have any recourse against them unless you can prove that you didn't violate policy when you administered the sedative. That is the key, you need to document the issue they fired you for and drop everything else because the firearm and threat doesn't even apply to the action the company took.
Venting on a firearms forum may help to get it off your chest, but I would seek counsel with an attorney instead of asking for advice on the internet.
I am sorry this happened and hope it works out.
Gather all your documentation and consult an attorney who specializes in employment law. Gather references and possibly statements from anyone who can hep your cause. if your attorney tells you it's OK to do so.
If the health care system there is anything like it is here, you should have no problem getting a job at a nursing home or possibly a Doctor's office. Perhaps a traveling nurse position. It's not ICU work but it pays the bills.
matthew03 - It started out as a firearm related incident (pulled off duty) and once they figured out that they [management] screwed up, then it went medical related.
She has not responded to this thread, but the way I read the story, it started out that her and another co-worker owned a gun during a discussion with the local Brady Bunch BOD at the hospital. The fact that she has a CCL is moot, the discussion sounded like it was merely gun ownership.
If the first three paragraphs are accurate, true, and the OP can get proof, I'd bet a lawyer will start drooling over it.
Originally Posted by stl2nola72
Management and their favorite pets/social clique flagged her as a Leper and treated her as such.
I too suffered a career ending injury with the State. Within a week of a management re-structure in my department, I was terminated from a job (that I really didn't like anyhow), and their reason for termination changed 4 times in all of a minuet and a half. Every time I challenged one of their "Reasons" they had nothing to back it up or knew that it would bite them. Finally landed on an incident that was 3 months old but still qualified since I was still in my first year (4 days shy). Probably could have fought it, but was able to land another job in a week.
Someone else here also assumed she was carrying at work.
Originally Posted by MissouriBoun
Could they please point out where she said that?
I reread it twice and see nowhere that she said she carried at work.
Gotta watch our assumptions.
I have yet to see a Medical facility that openly allowed guns and I'm betting this one didn't either and that she didn't carry there.
Would appreciate a mention of what medical facility allows guns inside? I suppose it could happen.
I would check your state laws. The ability to record conversations with only one side being aware is regulated at the state level.
Originally Posted by Eagleks
Thanks ya'll. I do have an attorney representing me on the case. The appeal hearing is on Tuesday morning and it's a telephone hearing. The thing that sucks about it is that everything relating to the firearm is being thrown out due to it being hearsay. The supervisor that made the accusations did it without any witnesses in a closed office alone. She made a point of telling me to close the door because people were walking around the area. I did not tell anyone that I had a CCL. They were aware that I own a firearm and that's all and no, the firearm never went into the building. It only came with me in the truck when I was called out in the middle of the night for emergencies.
I ended up finding out after I was terminated that the police officer never made an official report, and he didn't tell me that. When I told him that I needed to make a complaint, he was writing things down when I was talking, so I assumed he was making a report. He told me later that one wasn't made. I started to wonder if he was told to say that. I spoke with two different additional attorneys in town and they both said that a case would not be won over the firearm issue due to it being hearsay with no witnesses. They were really slick in that respect.
The entire appeal hearing on Tuesday morning is only based on the case involving the patient and the medication. The Louisiana State Nursing board protocol/policy says that I did nothing wrong. The hospital looks almost identical to the state board one. I received the information that the hospital submitted today and there were several untruths in it regarding things that I allegedly said and their documentation definitely conflicts with mine regarding what actually occured in the case. They basically made themselves out to smell like a rose and made me out to look arrogant and paranoid-two things that aren't at all part of my character.
That's why there is a Freedom of Info Act, which I'm sure your attorney should be quite aware of.... to challenge "doctored" or manufactured paperwork, etc. on individuals.
Stick to your guns.
Please everyone understand that I was NOT CARRYING at work. That is against the law in Louisiana and my CCL would be yanked for that. The state allows a firearm to be kept in the vehicle, as it is considered an extension of the home. The discussion on the job was related to firearm ownership-not CCL. Several people in that discussion decided to make comments saying that they did not think that people should be allowed to have guns. At that point, I zipped my lips and diverted the conversation off of firearms and onto something else. As a previous poster said, it started out over ownership and then went medical related because I made an HR complaint and a police complaint for workplace hostility, regarding the incident. I didn't come here to obtain advice from the internet. I already had representation and I was just curious to know if anyone else had issues like this, or if I was the only one. I'm beginning to feel a little sorry I came to this forum. Thanks for your responses.
Good luck to you.
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