May have to reconsider chambering a round.
This is a discussion on May have to reconsider chambering a round. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I keep one In the pipe all the time with my m&p .45. As far as my kel Tec pocket carry, I am still trying ...
July 3rd, 2011 03:13 AM
I keep one In the pipe all the time with my m&p .45. As far as my kel Tec pocket carry, I am still trying to get use to no safety. I sure it will come with time. As far as the sig goes, I am sure this is to cover thereself juuusstt in case. There is a reason the seals amd such use these guns.
July 3rd, 2011 06:58 AM
Now you're seeing why so many of us told you that carrying without a round chambered is a bad idea.
Originally Posted by adric22
Now, as to the Glock, what happens if the initial attack takes out one of your hands / arms? Or you are desperately fending off your assailant with one hand while drawing the gun with the other. Are you really going to be able to hop on one foot while using the other to chamber a round while simultaneously fighting for your life with the other hand? I'd suggest not. And I'd further suggest you'd end up very dead in that scenario.
Welcome to the land of the lawyers. You'll probably find a similar "warning" in the manual of just about every firearm.
Originally Posted by adric22
(n) - a list of things that aren't going to happen if you are attacked.Blame it on Sixto
- now that
is a viable plan.
Learning to shoot again : Starting Over
July 3rd, 2011 07:12 AM
Im not posting this to hurt anyones feelings or get put on their ignore list but simply to point out a scenario that could play out (which is what most do on threads like this anyway). Closing the mind to what COULD happen is the first mistake a responsible CCer can do.
What happens if you are cut or shot on your strong side arm, hand or shoulder before you can chamber a round on your shoe or belt or whatever else? A cut or bullet to a forearm muscle will suck the strength right out of your grip and an injury to a tricep will take any pushing strength out of your arm as well. Tack on an injury or wound to your weakside arm. Murphys law here. The only strength you could have left is the strength to hold and fire your weapon. If that strength is gone you are probably dead anyway, but if that I all you have left it could be enough to save your life or end the life that took yours. Even a non-skilled BG can snap of two or three shots at you before you can draw and attempt to chamber a round. If those two or three shots hit the marks mentioned above, you better know how to rack the slide with your teeth (assuming they weren't shot out as well).
May you be in Heaven before the Devil knows you're dead
July 3rd, 2011 07:26 AM
I too used to carried empty. It is safe, no chance of AD.
I always thought my SA was high enough that I could chamber a round before it was necessary. No I do not practice enough to think I could draw then chamber a round before a bad guy could attack me. I would just chamber a round anytime my spidy since went off. Anyway after my daughter was born being the strong man I get to carry her a lot weak side and there is no way I can have her in my arms and still chamber a round. Then seeing more videos like this 7-11 Robbery on Video and you know that what ever advantage you have by carrying a weapon is lost if it is empty. so I will carry chambered from now on. I purchased a XD just for the fact that it had more safety features than a Glock and will now use those to safely carry chambered.
July 3rd, 2011 08:40 AM
Why carry an"empty" gun? You should carry a rock - smoooth, rounded, no permit, ready to go and good grip. Plus it might hurt less than an empty gun being pushed up you backside by the bad guy.
The safety is YOU! Learn the gun and practice, practice, practice. Your last practice taught you an important leason. All practice will teach you something. All you have to do is learn from others who have been there, done that.
"Being PARANOID is just plain smart thinking when they are really out to get you!"
July 3rd, 2011 09:24 AM
July 3rd, 2011 09:26 AM
I hear this analogy a lot. But if you truly believe that, lets you and I have a little duel. You can bring the rock to the duel and I'll bring my unchambered Glock. Lets see who wins.
Originally Posted by paul45
July 3rd, 2011 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by adric22
That is utterly inexcusable.
Take personal responsibility.
All the rest of your safety measures are fine.
You blew it with one.
All it takes is one.
"For some bizarre reason, my daughter/wife/adric/(insert family member/friend here) is now dead."
Keep airsoft in separate safe/lockbox away from your real guns at all times
"No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps on a-comin."
Texas Ranger Capt William Jessie McDonald
July 3rd, 2011 09:46 AM
^ As both a firearms as well as airsoft enthusiast - one who also uses airsoft as training aids - I am hard-pressed to not agree with the above.
There's absolutely no excuse, and is pure negligence, for any airsoft to be confused with a real-steel counterpart, during any aspect of training.
This mix-up has deadly consequences.
If you cannot control for the potential mix-up of the two, then you need to take the absolute highest level of security with BOTH.
July 3rd, 2011 09:48 AM
I'm new to this site, but I'm not new to CC or weapons. Some of these viewpoints are utterly fantastic. An unloaded gun is nothing more than an expensive hammer. You'd be better off just carrying a sharp stick with you. "Yes officer, when the BG came up to me and stuck a knife in my face and demanded my wallet, I pulled out my $1000 Sig Sauer and began beating him with it while he sliced up my face and chest". Seriously, if you're going to CC empty, what's the point? If your answer is "safety", then you know nothing, and probably aren't qualified to be anywhere near any weapons. You carry a gun in order to be ready to protect yourself in the unfortunate circumstance that your safety or life is threatened. It happens quick, and there is not time to rack one home. You'll probably lose your wallet and your empty gun if the BG is any good.
July 3rd, 2011 09:56 AM
But that would not illustrate the point being made; if you want an imaginary duel, arm your opponent with a chambered pistol, or even a knife.
Originally Posted by adric22
"Just blame Sixto"
I reserve the right to make fun, point and laugh etc.
July 3rd, 2011 10:04 AM
EXACTLY!!!!!! Couldn't say it better myself. Any gun thats NOT drop safe should not be one in the collection. The reality is, preference aside, carrying a unloaded gun is a stupid practice that may very well get you killed one day. People get pissed when it's said but if your uncomfortable carrying loaded then further training IS needed. It's not an insult to your ability but I think you proved OUR point when you couldn't rack the slide. Doesn't matter what gun it was. Stuff happens and when seconds count you WON'T have them to spare!
Originally Posted by RKM
July 3rd, 2011 10:05 AM
"You bring your rocks and I'll bring my sword and see who wins"
So there are unknown conditions that can hamper chambering a round...who would have thought...I am shocked to say the least. I'm surprised I've never read that before.
I'm glad you're going out and learning on your own but if it ever comes down to having to use your gun, the learning curve is going to be deadly steep.
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July 3rd, 2011 10:17 AM
Check out this thread:
LA: Pier Part Shooting - 2 Dead
Carefully read post #20, according to the thread it appears the GG in this shooting was carrying his CCW with an empty chamber, if I'm correct, he's not advocating that position anymore.
July 3rd, 2011 10:28 AM
Dude I don't know what to tell you. You have a lot of accuses for not carrying a loaded weapon and even bring up what every gun manual says about not leaving the gun loaded or it may fire if dropped which is there way to get out of any legal action you may take because they told you so. You have had a wake up call in a safe and controlled environment but still don't seam to get that carrying an unloaded weapon isn't going to cut it. I hope you figure it out before something happens to you or yours and we see another post on here about how you wish would have listened to the masses and carried loaded. Sounds like you have a serious trust issues to me. Just cant trust your fingers not to pull them triggers.
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