My local hospitals are "NO GUN ZONES" I don't like that because:

My local hospitals are "NO GUN ZONES" I don't like that because:

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    My local hospitals are "NO GUN ZONES" I don't like that because:

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    >>>Estranged husband kills wife and attempts suicide<<<

    I would venture a guess that if a guy is gonna shoot his soon-to-be-ex-wife in a public place, he's probably going to turn the gun on himself, or try suicide by cop, in most instances.

    But, what if the idiot decides things aren't happening the way he wants, as quickly as he'd like; and the only way to get himself dead, is to take out more folks?

    I can understand the mental anguish he might have been going thru... He was losing his wife, his home, and probably (since he was a contractor) most of his work. No excuse for what he did, but I can understand it.

    Unfortunately, when we deal with the mentally unstable, like this fellow apparently was, they don't follow a rule book. He is in such self perceived "pain" that he might decide to "share" his pain with others in a physical manner.

    Hospitals are there to take care of the sick. Some hospitals have psych wards. I'm sure that some folks have gone to such hospitals and checked themselves in, in a moment of mental acuity, in the midst of their emotional/mental firestorms.

    I can't count on that. In a visit to the E.R. in any town large enough to have one or more, you are just as likely to see a crack head or meth addict at the end of his rope as you are to see little Johnny, who broke his ankle while skateboarding. Johnny is at risk, his parents are at risk, I am at risk; from the crashing junkie who goes off the deep end while he was hoping to get help.

    I carry concealed, if I'm caught, they can ask me to leave (in my state), or I risk a trespass charge. If I'm coming in on a gurney, because of an off site incident, they will secure the weapon (from what I understand from most of the EMTs, nurses, etc., on DC). I'm okay with that. But either way, I'm most likely coming into a hospital armed.

    You may not be able to at all because of your state laws.

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    That's the big argument with gun free zones, only the criminals are armed. There's no deterrent to the criminals from those of
    us that legally carry. If I'm strapped to a gurney, I would prefer there be a few CCW's in the waiting room. You never know
    when that rival gang is coming to finish off the guy on the other side of the curtain.
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    It sounds like Iowa's laws regarding business no-gun zones are similar to Minnesota's. Being that the security guards in most of the medium-large hospitals in the cities don't even have firearms, as a visitor I'd be inclined to carry concealed & risk the request to leave.

    I've worked in a few hospitals. A select few of the clientele in these places probably can't even read, much less be trusted.
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    It's a stupid law! Not dumb, stupid! 99 out of 100 hospitals are in a bad part of town, they all have parking garages, IMO parking garages are one of the most dangerous places you can go. I'll carry mine thanks. They'll never know I have it, unless I have to use it. Then it won't matter. "Judged by 12 rather than carried by 6" anytime
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    In Omaha a few months ago we had some sheriff's deputies injured in an arrest. While at the hospital, another scumbag completely unrelated to the first shooting came into the same hospital the officers were in to shoot another scumbag. Hospitals can be just as dangerous as any other place.
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    Most if not all medical facilities in KY have the no gun signs. When speaking with management at one Lexington facility, they think they are lowering the risk of problems but do admit some one intent on commiting a firearm related issue makes the signs useless. "Actually the only people who would obay the sign is likely to be an honest and trustworthy individual."

    Fair enough, but what about a Doctor or Nurse who is working 7P to 3A. How are these people going to protect themselved when going form the hospital to the parking garage at 3AM? "We have security guards to escort them."

    Are the security guards armed? "No" We feel their presents is enough of a deterrent. Do you, as part of managment agree with this? "No, not really and confidentially I don't agree whith the whole plan"

    Interesting, short, discussion.

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    Hey, with those "GUN FREE ZONE" signs in adric22's post, we could make Delaware a totally gun free zone, we are small, wouldn't take that many signs. Just think Wilmington, DE which averages about 2 killings a day lately would be death free. I checked into it, and apparently all of the signs are on back order due to the orders already placed by California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey. They don't expect to have anymore until the electorate of these states is replaced!

    Luckily the hospitals in Delaware are not posted as of yet!
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    Knoxville, Tennessee hospital shooting leaves 1 dead, 2 injured | wbir.com Yea I don't like the idea of Gun Free zones either. This is my local Hospital not even sure if it is a gun free zone. Most likely will not be when I am there

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    Those signs are there only to make the typical non-CCW members of society feel better, nothing more than a band-aid, a placebo.
    If someone is intending to commit a serious crime it is asinine to think a sign will stop them.
    At best, the signs intent is to prevent the law abiding permit holders from protecting themself against the non-lawabiding.
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    They're posted here too; plus...

    Around Columbus, all Hospital entrances are posted; plus, in a least one, when going thru the ER Visitor's entrance, you must empty your pockets before going thru the metal detector.

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    I work Security at a hospital in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. We have those dumb no weapons signs. My Supervisor has no problem with law abiding citizens carrying. But its Hospital Administration that just doesn't understand. All they think about is patients freaking out because someone has a gun. They don't understand that the no weapon signs only keep out the law abiding citizens who carry. Those dumb signs don't keep out the BG. What BG is going to think, damn, I can't bring a gun in there because its posted NO WEAPONS? With 3 psych units and all the druggies and violent people that come in here, its only a matter of time before something bad happens. So if someone comes in here and starts shooting up the place, we are not allowed to carry and therefore, are not allowed to protect ourselves, the patients and staff.

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    In Texas the Hospitals I've been in to visit have posted 30.06 signs and it's a crime to carry past them,serious enough to get your permit revoked,Unlawful gun free zones I walk right past
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    Quote Originally Posted by jarhead74 View Post
    That's the big argument with gun free zones, only the criminals are armed. There's no deterrent to the criminals from those of
    us that legally carry. If I'm strapped to a gurney, I would prefer there be a few CCW's in the waiting room. You never know
    when that rival gang is coming to finish off the guy on the other side of the curtain.
    This.
    Unfortunately Michigan considers hospitals criminal empowerment/ gun free zones. An example happened here recently. There was a gang hanging out in the local bar district and they were robbing people in side allys. Seems one guy decided to fight back and they beat him severely. Later the same night hospital security had to call PD because two of the gang members were walking the halls of the hospital with a basball bat so they could finish the job!
    And yes the local hospital here has a mental health ward and they have issues with patients all the time.

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    Michigan’s loop hole.
    When I first heard about this I didn’t believe it, but apparently the Attorney General and the Michigan State Police have both confirmed the fact that it is legal to open carry in Michigan gun free zones.

    This is how I think it came about, and then I will provide links to the Attorney General opinion and the MSP document supporting it.
    Before Michigan became shall issue only retired LEO, judges, of those with a “Need” were allowed to have a CPL. The original law which I believe dates back to 1927 established the gun free zones. However persons that had a CPL were exempt from the gun free zones.

    When Michigan became shall issue 10 years ago they wrote the law so that a person with a CPL cannot carry “concealed” in the listed pistol free zones. I really think they meant to make it illegal to have gun in the gun free zones, but inadvertently included the word concealed.
    Someone noticed this and proceeded to query the Attorney General and the Michigan State Police.
    They have both agreed that the way the two laws interact, it is legal to open carry in gun free zones if you have a CPL.

    I’m not saying you will not run into a police officer responding to a MWAG call that will not know this, and I sure wouldn’t recommend walking around a school open carrying. However if you have to go into a hospital you could open carry.

    From USAcarry.org: See question #6
    Open carry legal in Michigan

    Michigan State Police Update:
    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ms...2_336854_7.pdf
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