This is a discussion on Another example of why open carry is a bad idea and discretion could keep you alive. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by sigmanluke HA HA HA HA.... You have never not noticed someone open carrying (that you noticed)....that's a ridiculous comment. How do you ...
While no one would know what an active shooter is thinking before he launches his attack I would feel my own chances of being singled out as an early victim would be at least somewhat diminished if my weapon were concealed. Nothing against OC I just know my own mindset, that is irregardless of almost any given tactial scenario an active shooter will come out of nowhere with great terror & surprise. So by carrying concealed one might have a better chance of returning the "surprise". Not saying OC is not the way to go just stating my current mindset.
If any thing, this just further reinforces to me that you can't rely on others for your personal security.. Even the police.
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The officer was shot first, what would make anyone think that if THIS bad guy saw someone open carrying that he wouldnt shoot them first or next...It stands to reason that a BG hell bent on going thru with it, WILL.
You didn't answer my question either, how do you know that you haven't missed one, a few, or many OCed guns?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
If he was an OCer he probably would have been carrying a video camera to tape his encounters......
this thread is derailed by the fanatics you can close it if you like I am done here
I prefer to live dangerously free than safely caged!
"Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun. And you might meet 'em both if you show up here not welcome son." Josh Thompson "Way Out Here"
The thoughts are more like whining because someone took your ball away. I don't care. If you like amateur carry then do so. The world is not laughing with you.
As far as everyday carry goes I prefer to blend in and be discrete. So it's concealed carry for me.
I think there's too many variables to determine that open carry prevents crime or not. It's pretty difficult to gauge what people don't do. I'm talking day to day crimes we are all familiar with.
I do not believe open carry would make a bit of difference to a political or religiously motivated individual who is determined to inflict mass murder. If they are willing to do that they probably figure they are going to get caught or die anyway. It's hard to scare off a person like that if they don't care one way or another.
I think (in the hopes of turning this back into a reasoned debate), we need to separate the "bad guys".
1) Common Criminal. This guy wants to rob you for your $20 so he can go get a crack rock. I believe that he would be deterred by an OC firearm or two.
2) Spree Shooter. Gabby Giffords, Virginia Tech, etc. Probably so focused on his "mission" that there could be a whole SWAT Team eating donuts and wouldn't notice, let along Joe Open Carrier.
3) Ideological or Religious Terrorist. Probably would notice weapons. Probably would target carriers first.
That is my entire point. Which is why I go back to the fact that if I am discrete and grey.... i.e no 5.11 tactical pants and shirts, don't tread on me t-shirts, glock hats, combat boots with shorts then I stand a much better chance of being able to deliver the surprise delivered to me back than I do if I had already played my cards on the table by oc'ing. I don't know what the future holds, but I do know that the game changed on sept 11th and before and there are many out there who hate us. More political and or religiously motivated mass shootings have been happening as opposed to the cho instances. Which brings me to the point of why put your cards on the table when it comes to self defense?
I hope this doesn't come out as judgmental or confrontational, because I respect you a lot... but here's the problem I have with this thread. You're basically assaulting a rather large and vocal segment of the firearms carrying community with your OP. Even the headline has an angry tone to it.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times (online and off), we HAVE to stand together as a community. Like yourself, I am almost exclusively CC. I don't want to stand out, I don't want confrontations at the checkout line, I don't want to be harassed by a cop who doesn't like civilian carry because I walked down the street. But, they ARE members of our community. I don't see the difference between deriding OCers and those that are "gun people" but don't want "high capacity" magazines or "assault rifles".
Even the "CCW badge" people, though I might roll my eyes at them, deserve our allegiance and respect. If we let one segment of our population be singled out, eventually we all lose.