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This is a discussion on A rant about places you can't carry within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by youngda9 In Indiana businesses can no longer ban firearms from worker's vehicles parked on property, it cannot be used as an excuse ...
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Last time I checked those intent on doing evil with a gun don't obey the "No Guns or Weapons" signs.
If the people you work for don't allow you to carry, quit. If you choose not to quit and are harmed during an incident, sue the company.
Or carry and risk being justly fired.
You do not have to work for someone and they are not required to employ you.
But if they do employ you they are obligated to provide a safe work environment.
Man California doesn't seem so bad now. Admittedly the hard part is getting the carry permit. I am in the midst of that process, but with the permit I could carry on k-12 grounds, convenient as I teach there.
"The value you put on the lost will be determined by the sacrifice you are willing to make to seek them until they are found."
First of all, just remember that even if your state has a specific law saying you can have a firearm in your car in the parking lot against your employers wishes - beware of at will employment states. They don't need a reason to fire you. Sure, you might be able to fight the fact that you were fired 2 days after they found you had a weapon in your car but you'll have to go to court etc.
For those of us who support our families with our job - , while our employer continues this silly restriction, we have to make a decision that is different for everyone. Is the chance of getting caught and losing my job worth it? Or in the situation would I be worth more to them in life insurance? On the surface it almost seems to go against what many of us believe in - going unarmed and letting a bad guy win. But I carry to protect my family as a whole, and for me at least, the chance of losing my job because someone saw something outweighs the chance of me getting killed because i was unarmed inside my office.
Now we can have concealed is concealed arguments, or arguments that our employer should just grow up and change their rules, etc - and they are all right in some ways. But while no weapons remains the rule...
Obviously you all have to make this decision for yourself, based on your situation.
In the past year we had an employee pistol whipped, and two employees robbed at gunpoint, as well as we found a mobile meth lab, and needles on a regular basis, so I choose to carry always.
The first rule of cc is don't be detected so if you're following that rule no one would know unless you had to pull and/or discharge your firearm in self defense.
While un/reholstering in the car someone sees you through the window.
Your car catches on fire in the parking lot.
You're right, like I said concealed is concealed by some people. But those people usually advocate carrying it into the office - after all, concealed is concealed right?
If your in a right to work state AND your state has a law allowing them in the parking lot them you have nothing at all to worry about. I was referring to someone in a at will state who doesn't have that luxury.
I am lucky to work some where that provides gun lockers just inside the door.
Just remember, criminal and thugs don't obey the no firearms signs and policies.
Wait, what does that make a person who carries even though the company they work for has signs or policies against it?
I would like to follow up on one aspect of this discussion, restaurants, and in particular does a place where alcohol is purchased and consume mean the bar area or the whole facility? Of course this state dependent and in my particular case I am referring to NC. According to NC law (per handgunlaw.us):However, from a latter portion of the NC pdf, it says NO on restaurants that server alcohol, but then right below it says:It shall be unlawful for any person to carry any gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission thereto, or into any establishment in which alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
This seems contradictory to me. When I was in the CC class, the instructor pointed said that he carries in restaurants, even though you were technically not supposed to and said "if you see me in there, don't call me out and I won't call you out either." This leads me to believe that the official answer is that restaurants are for the most part off limits or does this mean that just the bar area is off limits?What is defined as carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol is a place like Friday’s or Red Lobster. This may or may not mean the bar or the bar area of a restaurant. But you can carry your firearm into a restaurant that serves alcohol and sit and eat. Handgunlaw.us recommends you not sit at the Bar or in the Bar area of such restaurants.
I agree it is really vague in Oklahoma law as well, it essentially say you can carry in low point beer and alcohol establishments and resturaunts as long as the sale of said drinks does not constitute the primary purpose of said business. So what determines that?
In the service we have uniform restrictions, we can't wear our uniform into a bar, and traditionally are given the 51% of the menu or greater must be food rule. Should we assume similar for handgun carry?