LEO off duty ccw

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    So this is mainly pertaining to LEO's but I welcome anyone to chime in. The scenario is your at a local theme park that has a policy not allowing firearms. For whatever reason they're security suspects you may be carrying a weapon (i.e. notices the pocket clip of a knife, badge etc). Knowing that what your doing is not illegal how do you react?? Now remember in this scenario you are a LEO. Would you just come out and tell them I am armed and produce your LEO credentials? How would you react if they tried to detain you (taking into consideration you ARE a LEO and they are just private security). I wouldn't be confrontational.....but what if they were to become aggressive if you weren't receptive to being detained. Would you just hand over your firearm to avoid a confrontation? Don't really wanna get off on any tangents just want to know how you would handle the situation not whether you think it's right or wrong to be carrying. Thanks. The stage would be set in FL if that helps anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpd226 View Post
    Would you just hand over your firearm to avoid a confrontation?
    The only people that I would ever surrender my weapon to would be (1) my supervisor, (2) IA, or reluctantly and as a last resort to (3) an officer from another agency by his demand.
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    I'm not an LEO but unless a bonified LEO has required me to disarm, I would be hesitant to hand a loaded firearm to an "official" stranger.

    Any true LEO who asks me to disarm would have my full compliance.

    Not knocking private security but I would wait to hand my firearm over to a real LEO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
    I'm not an LEO but unless a bonified LEO has required me to disarm, I would be hesitant to hand a loaded firearm to an "official" stranger.

    Not knocking private security but I would wait to hand my firearm over to a real LEO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
    I'm not an LEO but unless a bonified LEO has required me to disarm, I would be hesitant to hand a loaded firearm to an "official" stranger.

    Any true LEO who asks me to disarm would have my full compliance.

    Not knocking private security but I would wait to hand my firearm over to a real LEO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
    I'm not an LEO but unless a bonified LEO has required me to disarm, I would be hesitant to hand a loaded firearm to an "official" stranger.

    Any true LEO who asks me to disarm would have my full compliance.

    Not knocking private security but I would wait to hand my firearm over to a real LEO.
    Yep, this one pretty much sums it up.

    Of course a confrontation most likely could be avoided if before ever entering you identified yourself as LEO, and made it clear you were armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agave View Post
    The only people that I would ever surrender my weapon to would be (1) my supervisor, (2) IA, or reluctantly and as a last resort to (3) an officer from another agency by his demand.
    ... i agree, good answer.

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    Most security guards know not to even ask an LEO for any weapon. Most security companies dont even want their security officers even offering to disarm them or anyone else, its a huge liability.

    Since it is not out of the question to ask for credentials, its a simple matter of showing I.D. and being done with it, since in almost all cases it is legal for LEO's to carry anywhere.

    Attempting to" detain" an LEO for a legal practice would be very foolhardy and whoever tried it most likely wouldnt have a job for long.

    I 'd give it up to another LEO if it were in question, while he verified my credentials. Then when he figured out I was good to go, I'd get it back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpd226 View Post
    So this is mainly pertaining to LEO's but I welcome anyone to chime in. The scenario is your at a local theme park that has a policy not allowing firearms. For whatever reason they're security suspects you may be carrying a weapon (i.e. notices the pocket clip of a knife, badge etc). Knowing that what your doing is not illegal how do you react?? Now remember in this scenario you are a LEO. Would you just come out and tell them I am armed and produce your LEO credentials? How would you react if they tried to detain you (taking into consideration you ARE a LEO and they are just private security). I wouldn't be confrontational.....but what if they were to become aggressive if you weren't receptive to being detained. Would you just hand over your firearm to avoid a confrontation? Don't really wanna get off on any tangents just want to know how you would handle the situation not whether you think it's right or wrong to be carrying. Thanks. The stage would be set in FL if that helps anyone.
    From the stories I've heard the theme parks in orlando do not grant off duty leos any special consideration, the no gun policies include off duty leos. In FLA any business or property owner can ask you to leave their premises and failure to do so could result in arrest for trespassing, doing so while armed would make it FELONY trespass. your status as an off duty leo means nothing.

    so to answer to your question
    1. do not carry in places where it is not welcome or
    2. if you chose to ignore the property owners rules and are found out, do not make a scene, just comply with their orders to leave.
    this is equally true for anyone, off duty cop or not
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    My Brother allways cc on ankel, Been everywhere with him & he's sown badge ect. NEVER disarmed ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    From the stories I've heard the theme parks in orlando do not grant off duty leos any special consideration, the no gun policies include off duty leos. In FLA any business or property owner can ask you to leave their premises and failure to do so could result in arrest for trespassing, doing so while armed would make it FELONY trespass. your status as an off duty leo means nothing.

    so to answer to your question
    1. do not carry in places where it is not welcome or
    2. if you chose to ignore the property owners rules and are found out, do not make a scene, just comply with their orders to leave.
    this is equally true for anyone, off duty cop or not

    A. They would simply not get my family's business.
    B. There is a little FEDERAL law called HR 218, also known as the Law Enforecment Officer's Safety Act. (LEOSA). That trumps Mickeys Mouse Brigade.
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    To answer the OP...the previous LEO answering this question have it right. I would turn it over to no other than an LEO and would not disarm until an LEO arrived. I dont mean Disney Police either. I mean an actual PD or Sheriff's office.
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    I carry any place I want, anytime I want. An LEO has that privilage. I have carried in most of the theme parks in Fla without issue. A properly concealed weapon makes this possible. Also LEOSA gives you the right to do so.
    Felony Trespassing? I don't think so. Your right to carry is backed by Federal Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agave View Post
    The only people that I would ever surrender my weapon to would be (1) my supervisor, (2) IA, or reluctantly and as a last resort to (3) an officer from another agency by his demand.
    This is almost textbook perfect.
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    What authority does a rent a cop have to disarm a LEO? Doubt any.

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