Armed citizen intervention

Armed citizen intervention

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    Armed citizen intervention

    I've just done an Examiner column on a shooting Saturday night in Skyway, a section of Renton, WA that is not exactly the high-rent district.
    It's about an armed citizen who intervened in a shooting that took place right in front of him, took the bad guy down and 'cuffed him!

    As a reporter, I'm always interested in public reaction, and suspect there will be some here. Give this a read, please, and weigh in if you like (and don't be shy!)


    Armed citizen intervention in Skyway shooting ignites CCW debate


    Armed citizen intervention in Skyway shooting ignites CCW debate - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com


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    I would agree, in that I would not recommend any attempt at cuffing by untrained, inexperienced individuals.

    The intervention is debatable.
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    I'd like to know why the guy was carrying handcuffs? Maybe looking for trouble and wanting to play cop?
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    From some accounts in the media it appears both the victim and the shooter exchanged shots with each other prior to the intervention of the private citizen.

    You can never completely tell for certainty from the outside what is actually going on in the situation you are intervening in.
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    I question the guys reasoning for carrying handcuffs......then 'struffing 'n cuffing' the guy.

    Glad it all turned out OK, but............

    Not enough info to make an objective judgement on the whole thing. Now, if I happen to be using an ATM and two knuckle-heads start shooting at each other, after something invoulentary and messy happens, it's gonna be all about MY surviving. I don't carry cuffs so that won't be an option.
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    I think it's great that he was able to stop the situation from possibly getting worse and didn't have to shoot. He obviously didn't feel the need yet to pull the trigger and I'm sure he will sleep easier, knowing that he's alive without having to shoot someone. None of us want to go through that, we just prepare for it because we are not blind to society and are not influenced by people who are.

    The comments from law enforcement and others regarding the cuffing of the suspect are spot on if you are not trained with them. Cuffs are another tool and unless you're trained in the combined use of handcuffs and firearms, then I wouldn't recommend it either. Reason? In an adrenaline filled situation, too many things can go wrong, including accidentally shooting the one you're trying to cuff. Unless you're trained in the use of handcuffs in concert with a firearm, don't do it.
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    The vast majority of the time LEO's do not handcuff without a cover officer.

    One of the most dangerous times when making an arrest is when you go to cuff the suspect.

    Fight or flight. Hidden weapons. You never really know what you are going to encounter.

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    Just my perspective on this. Myself, I would NOT have intervened. I am not a LEO, I do not know what the circumstances were and I'm sure not going to put my life on the line in a situation I'm not sure of. As to cuffing someone, I don't have to worry about that. I don't carry or own handcuffs. I'm a civilian, I have no need for them. Now, this guy may have a job that he needs them, if so fine, hopefully if they are a work related item for him, he's trained in the use of them. I'm assuming citizens arrest is legal in WA state. In a state that does not have provisions for it, you could find yourself in big trouble for doing so.
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    Intervention Maybe..Cuffing the BG, do think so. Playing the Hero can get you burnt. Im glad it turned out ok for him, but it could have gone south real quick.
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    Firstly I am glad it turned out ok, but unless he is LEO or something related why carry cuffs? I have a pair of cuffs, but I would never consider carrying them unless I am at work. Playing cop when you aren't one can burn you really bad in court. Carrying cuffs can give a lawyer ammo for saying you were out looking for trouble.

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    The vast majority of the time LEO's do not handcuff without a cover officer.
    That depends entirely where you are at. Since I am the only officer on shift most of the people I have cuffed and stuffed have been while I was working alone.

    It appears that the guy knew what he was doing and it all went well.

    Good on him for having the gumption to make a difference, when most people would just discuss it on the net and discuss and justify never taking action for anything, no matter what.
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    I'm glad it went well for him, I'm as confused though as most as to why he was carrying cuffs. I've carried cuffs but only because I was testing out a new design etc for a carrier, I've got no intent to use them I just need to make sure they carry comfortably;) That said I wonder if this guy might have been ex-LEO or something along those lines, it wasn't mentioned anywhere but that might be an explanation to why he was able to do it without as much issue perhaps he had been trained. Even so I think it's probably not a good idea in almost all cases.

    Either way glad to hear it went well.

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    Cuffs? Perhaps going on a hot date? I don't know.

    I applaud the fact he intervened in someone else's defence. Being a witness is fine for those who choose to do so, but a witness won't save you--will only watch one's demise.

    Too much is made of the "armed" citizen intervening. Just as in the AZ shooting, the media went nuts with the "armed intervention" by a guy who never drew his firearm. It was more of a "citizen intervention" by a person who happened to be armed.

    Police Depts rarely if ever publicly recommend citizen intervention. Probably liability and job security concerns. As for me, I'll intervene when I feel I need to; won't when I don't.
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    A non-LEO carrying cuffs + a permit to carry = ninja/wannabe/Gecko45

    A permit does not grant any authorities to detain...and, as usual, LEOs will assume those who carry for personal defense may believe we all want to be cops...
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    A permit does not grant any authorities to detain...and, as usual, LEOs will assume those who carry for personal defense may believe we all want to be cops...

    A permit is not needed to do the right thing.
    A permit is not needed to detain someone that has committed a felony.

    Saying that LEO's assume anything is to assume way to much.

    Much about this whole story is assumed.

    We do not know the background of the citizen involved.

    Critizing him for carry cuffs, rather than applauding the success of his effort, seems to be pretty ridiculous to me.
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