This is a discussion on Concealed Carry and Employment Dilemma within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by GunKeen "Big brother is watching" is right. Because this forum is public, I make sure not to post anything that could be ...
"To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence." Friedrich Nietzsche
Except in states that allow parking lot storage of firearm, you have no right to privacy on company property. They can search your car for company materials, etc. You can refuse. You probably will lose your job.
You have no right to expectation of privacy almost anywhere on company property except the restrooms, maybe.
Personally, I would go with the concealed compartment, or the Self Addressed Stamped Envelope... I'd like to see them get around that one. Technically, you could probably make a Velcro closure for the envelope... you'd never have to tape or glue it, and it would be resealable... and "hidden in plain sight!"
It could be worse!
If you're not allowed to have a weapon on company property then don't bring a weapon on company property. If you think you may want to shoot somebody on the way to/from work then maybe you should find a safer place to work. Carrying a gun is one way to protect yourself, staying away from situations where someone is trying to kill you is an even better way to protect yourself.
You can tell I'm not one of those people who thinks its necessary to carry a weapon at all times. One of the reasons I started carrying was that I was required to work on ATM's at night. Constantly looking over my shoulder and wondering if the next person who drives up might want to kill me was no way to go to earn a paycheck. I complained enough to my boss, told him I was carrying a weapon to protect myself and management changed the policy. Now we don't even work on ATM's. Problem solved for me, but it was a situation that I was ready to find another job over.
This is a very, very complicated topic - I have my own quite extensive and quite conflicted feelings about it, and many of what I have and still am working through mirrors the posts of our fellow members here.
I won't bore anyone or waste any time by rehashing what's already been said, but I do want to bring this one to everyone's attention:
Ohioans For Concealed Carry Discussion Forums • View topic - FIRED!!
That's not me. Nor is it anyone I know. I just happened upon that thread this AM, while doing my everyday reading of my home CC Forum.
This is yet another scenario to ponder.
Just as a completely hypothetical example, you might find an installer to make a sliding drawer that fits under your rear deck in your trunk that slides open when you hit a concealed button. In it might hypothetically be a compartment cut to fit a handgun and a couple spare magazines. Hypothetically the liner of that drawer that is cut to fit the handgun could be lifted out and a separate insert cut to fit an AR and a few magazines or an Uzi SBR and mags could hypothetically be put in depending on your needs.
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you need to come up with a good hiding place in your vehicle. DO they ever or have they ever searched anyone's vehicle? The management must me scared that someone is going to make a trip to their car after they lay them off or fire someone..
Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it ......
Thanks for all the responses I have found a solution I am comfortable with, I am not going to go into any further detail as to my solution. I appreciate all of the honest feedback.
To answer some questions , we have never had a vehicle search. I have been with the Co. for several years. I do not need to nor intend to look for another job. It is a good Co. just a few bad blanket policies that need to be corected or amended.
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Anyone from PA have experience with the laws in regards to in-car firearm storage & employers?
Minnesota, like Florida, has a clause in the law that prohibits employers from keeping one from storing their legally-carried firearm in their car. Only churches have that capability, if I'm not mistaken....a lowsy exception IMO, but when is a church ever going to search your vehicle?
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It's been said but check local laws, acess risk vs.need and do what's most important to you. I wouldn't wory too much about storage contraptions, if they're looking to search your car... do you really want to work there? In my 32 years of work experience I've never seen or known of any vehicle searches, now I'm not saying it can't happen but doesn't that make you think about the years that you've dedicated to the company?
Why?? Because at the last second, the Police are minutes away.
My company has the "No Weapons" clause as well, but was omitted in the last "printing" of the employee handbook. It is however verbally stated every year at the annual employee meeting. Fortunately our Safety Supervisor gave me an out by stating[visually indicating a fixed blade knife, but not specifying] There's your out."It's a weapon if it is used with intent/offensively/threatening manner. Otherwise it's a tool."
I am a mechanic by trade, all I carry are tools, some are specialized, and designed for very specific uses.
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I was the Asst. EH&S (environmental health and safety) officer for a large company which was a gov't contractor. Our group was also security. The rules came down from corporate, which was in NY city. They had an extensive legal staff, which "assisted" in rule making. I might add, the neighborhood was not exactly high rent. We had a drug bust in the parking lot caught on the security cams.
My boss and I both had carry permits, so were for modifying the rules, but corporate said NO! At first, weapons (even knives) were also prohibited "on company property" including the parking lot. It was decided by the legal eagles that unless someone SAW a gun, and was willing to complain, nothing would be done. If a car search for a gun was necessary, the police would be called to do it..
After Florida passed the locked car law, I bought a small safe from Harbor Freight, and mounted it inside the center console. This was to protect against smash and grab. Its not visible from outside the car.
In the 4 years I was there, an employee was screwed over by management. Upon walking out of the door, for lunch, he said something like" Man, somebody blow up this place. A woman reported that he was going to blow up the building. Police were called in, he was fired. There was a uniformed LEO in the lobby during business hours for 2 weeks. Everybody was on high alert. However, since a COP was there, I did not carry inside. The emplouee sued, and the incident got settled out of court. (I never found out the details)
Tell you what though, a lot of us, upon arriving for work, waited in out cars for a minute or two, and did a S.A., before coming inside. Some of the women were calling in on their cells and asking for one of the guys to escort them in.
After that, I worked for another gov't contractor, in a different area, who allowed weapons in locked cars in the parking lot. They allowed knives within reason. ( Swithblades and other "fighting knives were banned, a folder with blade less then 3" was OK) Again, I needed the job and abided the rules.
As said above many times, you can excersize your rights all the way to an all-expense paid trip to the unemployment line.