This is a discussion on If You Have Ever Used Your Weapon In Self Defense, We Need Your Input within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by MitchellCT Some people would complain if a bunch of sorority girls on spring break decided he was enough man for all of ...
I agree with all of you. It's good to have training on use of lethal force. It's good to have training on legal implications of a defensive shoot. It's good to have personal liability insurance, it's good to be part of a legal defense fund.
I have limited financial resources, and have none of these things (besides lots of reading on the legal issues). When I have some money and time to throw at it, I'll probably start with the legal defense fund, then training (lethal force, then legal issues), then liability insurance.
Find an attorney who will handle a civil case involving a shooting for $4,000 and you will have that problem.
The name "Harold Fish" comes to mind. Or was that just an anomaly?
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He went to court because he gave a long, rambling, at times contradictory statement to the police without counsel. He made it so that the police ended up saying "This guy have not given us a straight story. We have a dead body, no clear statement of what happened...We just have to arrest and hope the courts get it right..."
The whole 10mm thing with people freaking out over it was a sideshow by people who don't know about, and refuse to learn about, proper aftermath procedures.
Yes, the prosecutor used it hard...that's what happens when you screw the pooch to the point they are putting you on trial for murder.
Someone's dead, and fish contradicted himself while talking to the police, and gave information inconsistent with your prior statement, the evidence and people who heard the shots...At what point did people believe he shouldn't going to trial?
That's the point of the judicial system - to resolve cases of ambiguity that involve corpses.
And like any system - GIGO. Garbage in...garbage out.
Garbage went in. Then it came out.
Shame such a thing doesn't exist. Oh, wait...
/Disclaimer: I've never heard of "Harold Fish".
Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc.
If you were a member, I'd tell you to click on the CT attorneys and you get the contact info of some guy who happens to share my name...
It's not a bad thing to have the insurance...
It's just that people seem to want to latch onto an "Insta-fix" and not alter their behavior in any way, hoping they will get by.
It's lazy, and I think it's unacceptable.
Relying on an insurance plan in the aftermath is like going stupid places, with stupid people doing stupid things...and expecting when the worse occurs, you've got a gun, so you'll be OK...
Yeah, have the gun & the insurance. Be able to effectively use both...when needed.
You don't plan for "best of worst case scenario", and that's what a lot of these insurance plans seem to be selling: "You don't have to alter your behavior! We'll back you up in case the police/prosecutor just don't understand that you were minding your own business when these guy attacked you and you shot them in 100% lawful self defense..."
Bull pucky. Horse dung. Statistics!
It's selling an easy answer to a situation that doesn't have one.
You want to be a fighter, you gotta do the running, medicine ball, crunches, diet and spar.
You want to be an effective, safe, well protected user of firearms who doesn't have to worry about the aftermath?
You got's to do the work just like a boxer preps.
Otherwise, you are just a fat out of shape guy buying the "Make you a killer! Only $49.99!!" DVD watching it on his couch saying, "Yeah!! I can do that stuff! I don't have to train!"
The thinking being that if you have X gear/insurance/whatever you will be ready/skilled/cool/protected...
If you can't get to training because of financial issues, read. Amazon/ebay/various gun forums will allow you to get almost any training material, for very low prices.
For $85 Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc. gives you a membership and 3 or 4 law DVD's which, if you can't get to a tier 1 instructor for his lecture...you can get it on DVD & still get the year of coverage.
You can find the old Street Survival books circa 1980's, LE & competition training books, get some used undergrad criminal justice textbooks or used law school textbooks on criminal law, criminal procedure, constitutional law and tort law, evidence and other areas so you can understand what is going on in the system and why "the experts" say to do/say or not do/say something...
You can do it right, and on the cheap.
If you want to put in the effort. If not...
Insurance companies and lawyers love money, and will be happy to take yours.